Tesla Enters “Whistleblower Hell”

Post by bryanlarsen » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:14 PM UTC

reitzensteinm wrote: post #127

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Investors have valued Ford at $141B. Assets doesn't affect that statement one bit. It's a piece of evidence that investors might be wrong. It's an easy double. Buy Ford, sell of the assets, pay off the debt and pocket $110B for a cost of $42B. Since that's not happening, nor anything like it, investors don't think Ford assets are worth $250B.

Sure, the statement is correct, but misleading. An apples to apples comparison between Ford and Tesla to compare valuation means teasing out the part of Ford that actually makes cars. Lumping in the financial services arm makes no sense if intellectual honesty is the goal. And in any case, EV isn't at all the final word you're making it out to be. If Ford takes on $100bn of debt to finance $100bn of cars with zero ma…

Post by gamblor956 » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:42 PM UTC

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Tesla (or at least Elon) has a terrible habit of engaging with critics in deeply unproductive ways, such as all the anti short seller stuff they pulled. It makes them look very defensive and seem like they feel vulnerable/cant face the criticism, and maybe it's because they actually are vulnerable and doing things that merit short selling and whistleblowing. At least from a PR perspective you dont want to engage like…

If you have any examples of companies who weren't doing something unsavory and had a recurrent problem with whistleblowers I'd love to hear them.

Post by gamblor956 » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:50 PM UTC

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> adversaries They are literally paying you , the Tesla long/holder, for the privilege of borrowing your shares or buying options that you are selling. If you own shares and believe in the company, you should be absolutely in love with short sellers because their activities net you money. Nothing a short seller can do will destroying a financially secure, sound company. Nothing . Meanwhile you get to collect interest…

Tesla will likely need to raise around $5-10B to complete all of the capital investments they need to perform over the next few years. If short sellers use negative news to bring the stock price down it raises the dilutive cost to Tesla of raising more capital. Secondly there are people who are incredibly intelligent but just too busy living their life to do in depth research about every article they read online, esp…

Post by gamblor956 » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:58 PM UTC

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But which is the more likely causes of this: That TSLA is the victim of an evil coordinated effort to cause the company to take, or just that 30% of the market genuinely believes they're overvalued. Given they have a higher market cap than either Ford or Honda, I'd be betting on the latter....

When you consider how rich and well-connected the players who stand to lose if Tesla wins, I don’t think it’s at all crazy to suggest that they are using some of that wealth to slow them down. If you happen to have 10 billion hanging around and there are billions more on the line, it’d almost be stupid not to. There’s no law against malicious short selling assuming you’re not outright lying about them in print. Oil c…

Post by P_I_Staker » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 3:03 PM UTC

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There appears to be an active group working to create these stories in order to create a 'whistleblower hell'. Elon occasionally does not help this, but authorities should look into the allegations that a group is actively manipulating Tesla employees for these types of stories. https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/21/were-cnbc-sources-tesla...

Elon gets a lot of hate unfortunately due to his position in the industry, and also I guess the age we're in. See this tweet from Paul Graham for example https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1122987659079618563 People notice the hate, and although there most probably are issues in the factories, then the reporting of them is way bent to the negative.