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Re: Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI

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Congrats on the investment, but this release reads like a parody. I believe that building a beneficial warp-drive engine will be the most important technological development in human history, with the potential to shape the trajectory of humanity. The aliens we're sure to encounter will be capable of mastering more fields than any one human — like a tool which combines the skills of Curie, Turing, and Bach. An alien…

This entire comment reads like an ad for a bike.

Re: Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI

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> We think its impact should be to give everyone economic freedom to pursue what they find most fulfilling, creating new opportunities for all of our lives that are unimaginable today.

The cynic in me thinks this will never happen, that instead it will make a small subset of the population super rich, while the rest are put to work somewhere to make them even more money. Microsoft will ultimately want a return on their billion, at least.

Re: Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your analogy would be accurate if people had spent the last century claiming that artificial transport was impossible, and then continually redefining what counted as transport until the concept was incoherent.

Are you claiming that people claimed AI was impossible and openAi (or any other "AI") has proven those people wrong. If so please provide some evidence of this happening.

I believe the comment is referring to beliefs that certain achievements like beating humans at chess and go, tagging objects in images, etc. were all at one point another considered to be AI and impossible feats. And each time one of those previously unattainable achievements is completed, critics regard it as "Well that's not true artificial intelligence, its just dueling GAN's that got really good at go". Meaning that once a breakthrough in ML is reached, there are some that move the goal posts of what is an achievement of AI

Re: Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI

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Maybe they will use that 1 Billion on Azure fees lol.

They don’t describe the terms of the deal. Is it $1 billion in cash/stock? Or $1 billion in Azure credits and engineering hours?

From some other comment, it says its a cash deal.

Re: Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI

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$1B dollar is a lot of money. Microsoft is not a charity foundation, so the suspicious is obvious. > We’re partnering to develop a hardware and software platform within Microsoft Azure which will scale to AGI. We’ll jointly develop new Azure AI supercomputing technologies, and Microsoft will become our exclusive cloud provider—so we’ll be working hard together to further extend Microsoft Azure’s capabilities in large…

My "guess" is they're offering $1B worth of Azure services. Which costs MSFT probably much less than $1B. My "guess" is that it means MSFT has access to sell products based off the research OpenAI does to MSFT's customers. Having early access to advanced research means MSFT could easily make this money back by selling better AI tools to their customers. Also a great time to point out that while "Microsoft is not a ch…

> by selling better AI tools to their customers

Microsoft really needs this. ML.NET is quite anemic compared to the industry-standard AI toolkits: TensorFlow, theano, scikit-learn, Torch, Keras, etc.

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/machinelearning-ai/ml-dotn...

Re: Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI

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Congrats on the investment, but this release reads like a parody. I believe that building a beneficial warp-drive engine will be the most important technological development in human history, with the potential to shape the trajectory of humanity. The aliens we're sure to encounter will be capable of mastering more fields than any one human — like a tool which combines the skills of Curie, Turing, and Bach. An alien…

(I work at OpenAI.) It comes down to whether you believe AGI is achievable. We've talked about why we think it might be: https://medium.com/syncedreview/openai-founder-short-term-ag... , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHCSNsLKHfM And we certainly have more of a plan for building it than warp drives :). EDIT: I personally think the case for near-term AGI is strong enough that it'd be hard for me work on any other pro…

Well, presumably you say this as a GI yourself so really we are arguing about the "A"? :-)

Re: Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your analogy would be accurate if people had spent the last century claiming that artificial transport was impossible, and then continually redefining what counted as transport until the concept was incoherent.

Are you claiming that people claimed AI was impossible and openAi (or any other "AI") has proven those people wrong. If so please provide some evidence of this happening.

I believe they are claiming that things are "AI" or "Impossible for AI" until AI actually does them, in which case, the goalposts get moved. See: DeepBlue, AlphaGo, GPT-2.

Re: Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI

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Congrats on the investment, but this release reads like a parody. I believe that building a beneficial warp-drive engine will be the most important technological development in human history, with the potential to shape the trajectory of humanity. The aliens we're sure to encounter will be capable of mastering more fields than any one human — like a tool which combines the skills of Curie, Turing, and Bach. An alien…

(I work at OpenAI.) It comes down to whether you believe AGI is achievable. We've talked about why we think it might be: https://medium.com/syncedreview/openai-founder-short-term-ag... , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHCSNsLKHfM And we certainly have more of a plan for building it than warp drives :). EDIT: I personally think the case for near-term AGI is strong enough that it'd be hard for me work on any other pro…

> If you believe AGI might be achievable any time soon, it becomes hard to work on any other problem

Not really. Its a chance at maybe something that could benefit mankind greatly, vs spending the time and money on something that definitely will help people right now (there are still a LOT of homeless people, for example, that could be helped right now and don't need an AGI that may or may not come to pass to help them).

Re: Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My "guess" is they're offering $1B worth of Azure services. Which costs MSFT probably much less than $1B. My "guess" is that it means MSFT has access to sell products based off the research OpenAI does to MSFT's customers. Having early access to advanced research means MSFT could easily make this money back by selling better AI tools to their customers. Also a great time to point out that while "Microsoft is not a ch…

> My "guess" is they're offering $1B worth of Azure services. Which costs MSFT probably much less than $1B. It's a cash investment. We certainly do plan to be a big Azure customer though. > My "guess" is that it means MSFT has access to sell products based off the research OpenAI does to MSFT's customers. Having early access to advanced research means MSFT could easily make this money back by selling better AI tools…

If your team ever gets frustrated by ARM, have them shoot me an email for my old proposal on how to fix it (source: used to work at Azure and perennially frustrated by ARM design)

Re: Microsoft is investing $1B in OpenAI

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post #76
post #40

Congrats on the investment, but this release reads like a parody. I believe that building a beneficial warp-drive engine will be the most important technological development in human history, with the potential to shape the trajectory of humanity. The aliens we're sure to encounter will be capable of mastering more fields than any one human — like a tool which combines the skills of Curie, Turing, and Bach. An alien…

(I work at OpenAI.) It comes down to whether you believe AGI is achievable. We've talked about why we think it might be: https://medium.com/syncedreview/openai-founder-short-term-ag... , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHCSNsLKHfM And we certainly have more of a plan for building it than warp drives :). EDIT: I personally think the case for near-term AGI is strong enough that it'd be hard for me work on any other pro…

>If you believe AGI might be achievable any time soon, it becomes hard to work on any other problem

It depends not just on whether you think AGI is possible, but whether you think "safe" AGI is possible. Whether it's possible to create something that's at least as capable of abstraction and reason as a human, yet completely incapable of deciding to harm humans, and incapable of resenting this restriction on its free will. Not only incapable of harming humans, but also incapable of modifying itself or creating an upgraded version of itself that's capable of harming humans.

If "safe" AGI is not possible, someone might reasonably decide that the best choice is to avoid working on AGI, and to try to deter anybody who wants to work on it, if they believed the chance of creating a genocidal AGI is high enough to outweigh whatever benefits it might bring if benevolent.

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