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No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by Kaiyou »

stronglikedan wrote: post #358
jfengel wrote: post #354

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As an American, I am now going to bang my head into a wall.

Nothing to do with being American, since you're afforded the luxury to learn other languages for free through public schooling. If anything, bang your head because you chose not to.

Public schooling is a waste of time and not where people learn foreign languages. I learned my second and third language purely through the Internet. One of them I also had in school, but like I said it was a waste of time. The method is just completely wrong, since in school they do the two things that are the most detrimental to learning a foreign language. Those two things are correcting mistakes (since the emphasis will be on the mistake, which will be remembered) and learning grammar. Grammar is useless overhead when learning. Once you know the language you can bother with grammar, if you care. I never did.

Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by Kaiyou »

jfengel wrote: post #371
stronglikedan wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing to do with being American, since you're afforded the luxury to learn other languages for free through public schooling. If anything, bang your head because you chose not to.

The offer is made, but the reason for doing so isn't made clear. I didn't understand it at the time; I availed myself of it in a minimal way. Most don't do that. Some of that is the accident of geography: it simply wasn't necessary. Today, we are more connected to our Spanish-speaking neighbors, and the value of learning that language is becoming increasingly obvious. I don't know whether the schools are doing a bett…

It's a myth that you learn languages easier earlier in life. Mastering a language takes about 10 years, it's just that when you start at age 6, you could be done by age 16.

Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by kqr »

mooneater wrote: post #347
kqr wrote: post #266

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Yes! I work for a company that does just this: pull big gears on limited data and try to generalise across groups of things to get intelligent results even on small data. In many ways, it absolutely feels like the future.

Interesting, are you using bayesian methods?

Does "Bayesian methods" mean anything specific? Parts of the core algorithms were written before I joined, and they are very improvised in the dog-in-a-lab-coat way. I haven't analysed them to see how closely they follow Bayes theorem and how strictly they define conjugate probabilities etc. (we are also heavily using simple empirical distributions), but the general idea of updating priors with new evidence is what it builds on, yes. I have a hard time imagining doing things any other way and still getting quality results, but that is probably a reflection on my shortcomings rather than a technical fact.

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Post by sytelus »

thomasfl wrote: post #283

One of the researchers, Tuomas Sundholm, has a real badass CV. Former pilot in the Finnish airforce. Finnish windsurfer champion. Snowboarder. Professor at Carnegie Mellon. Speaks four european languages, including swedish. And now at the age of 51, he has created the best AI powered poker bot. https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sandholm/cv.pdf

You gotta love resumes that says “founding of companies listed later” and have a dedicated chapter on “EVIDENCE OF EXTERNAL REPUTATION”.

Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by cambaceres »

noambrown wrote: post #328
cambaceres wrote: post #293

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Are all the hands available to the public?

The hand logs from the 5 humans + 1 AI experiment are included in the supplementary material of the Science paper.

They are missing the stack sizes of the players. Would love to have logs that include that info!

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Post by srkigo »

kzzzznot wrote: post #373
mensetmanusman wrote: post #264

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There are no ethical reasons why a game like poker must exist. In fact, poker gives a false sense of hope to the thousands of gambling addicts that enter casinos. It is a fun game, but there are an unlimited potential number of fun games..

1 ethical reason it ‘must exist’ is that it is a man-made game that some people enjoy without causing harm to themselves or others. Not quite sure what you’re suggesting, but “banning poker” is not going to solve the problem of gambling addiction.

I saw people who were going occasionally to casino without problems because nothing makes you lose and tilt so much as poker. I witnessed poker destroying families and people more than other games. There are people who don't like other casino games but lose heaps on poker and before they started poker their lives had more quality and meaning. I don't play other casino games but poker had a really bad influence on my life and the lives of people around me. Also, majority of money from poker comes from the players, not from the viewers and sponsors like in other sports, like football, baseball etc.

Re: No limit: AI poker bot is first to beat professionals at multiplayer game

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Post by srkigo »

noambrown wrote: post #60
ayemeng wrote: post #54

Curious, why was 100BB used for six max? If I recall right, the head ups experiment was 200BB?

We considered both options but decided to go with 100BB because that is the standard in the poker world. It doesn't make a big difference for these techniques though.

Could you try to run a training with ante included in the pot? I wonder if open-limping would be a viable strategy with some hands. No one knows that and it would be really interesting to find out. Ante should be equal to BB, like it was in WSOP Main Event.
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