Browsers are pretty good at loading pages
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Browsers are pretty good at loading pages
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#2Why is management paying for all those overdesigned web pages?
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#3I don't get client side navigation. It's a worse experience in every way. It's slow, often doesn't support things like command-click, it usually breaks the back button, and even if it doesn't it breaks the restoration of the scroll position.
The only thing worse is a custom scroll UI.
Why do people try to reinvent the most basic features of a webbrowser? And if they do, why do they always only do a half-assed job at it?
It's infuriating.
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#4I don't get client side navigation. It's a worse experience in every way. It's slow, often doesn't support things like command-click, it usually breaks the back button, and even if it doesn't it breaks the restoration of the scroll position. The only thing worse is a custom scroll UI. Why do people try to reinvent the most basic features of a webbrowser? And if they do, why do they always only do a half-assed job at…
Slow? I'm quite sure the whole point of client side apps is for them to be substantially faster - and most are.
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#5I don't get client side navigation. It's a worse experience in every way. It's slow, often doesn't support things like command-click, it usually breaks the back button, and even if it doesn't it breaks the restoration of the scroll position. The only thing worse is a custom scroll UI. Why do people try to reinvent the most basic features of a webbrowser? And if they do, why do they always only do a half-assed job at…
Slow? I'm quite sure the whole point of client side apps is for them to be substantially faster - and most are.
Did you read the article?
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#6File under: ”Read, then ignore”. Crappy JS navigation (and scrolling!) is here to stay, unfortunately :(
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#7He says the reason people code client-side navigations is to load pages more quickly. That's not the reason. Client-side navigation evolved from single page apps, where we use javascript to create dynamic content on the fly, for example a chat application. Now that you're a stateful single page app, we need to rebuild page navigation if our single-page-app has more than one "page". I understand that projects like Gatsby have used this technique for performance, but I see no reason that today's performance optimizations will be valid tomorrow. Page load performance is not the need driving this pattern generally.
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#9I installed noscript to test this, and yes, the beta rewrite, whose selling point is react, is faster when react isn't allowed to run.
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#10I don't get client side navigation. It's a worse experience in every way. It's slow, often doesn't support things like command-click, it usually breaks the back button, and even if it doesn't it breaks the restoration of the scroll position. The only thing worse is a custom scroll UI. Why do people try to reinvent the most basic features of a webbrowser? And if they do, why do they always only do a half-assed job at…
Sadly I think this is true for a lot of sites. However my experience has been that many (particularly in the last 3-5 years) support command-click, back button navigation, and scroll position restoration.
More often than not, I've seen that tracking scripts break this more than anything else. Particularly command+click.
Still - it'd be great of there was an API to preserve UI state moving into a new entry in browser history. I don't want to lose scroll position for a sidebar if I'm drilling down into a large list of data.
Being able to add hints through markup for when to preserve UI state could go a long way towards making page-refresh based form and navigation behavior competitive again.