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Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by nameismypw »

dang wrote: post #209
nameismypw wrote: post #203

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> You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion. It is fact. You cannot have read anything about Quillette without also knowing that it's associated with the alt-right. I've never understood why alt-right people feel the need to dogwhistle even to people who are familiar with that strategy. If you're going to have these opinions, you can at least acknowledge and stand by them. The only time you're wast…

Please don't do ideological flamewar on HN. It's not what this site is for, and it eats what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sorry, no. If HN is syndicating alt-right hate magazines, I'm going to call it out, and keep calling it out. That's eating more than HN, it's eating society. If you're complicit, then I'll call you out too. This is not the time in history to prioritize civility.

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by dang »

nameismypw wrote: post #192

It doesn't seem appropriate to discuss a Quillette article without mentioning that it's an alt-right publication. We must not normalize it, and I strongly encourage people to flag the submission. A preliminary search will turn up plenty of reprehensible authors and plenty more reprehensible articles. Posts like these are low-key attempts for Quillette to legitimatize itself.

It's penalized on HN the same way we downweight all mostly-political or ideological publications. But such sites do come up with the occasional interesting article, and on HN we care about the article, not the site. Same with Jacobin or something like that.

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by zdragnar »

chrsstrm wrote: post #173
zdragnar wrote: post #166

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Sick days and vacation days typically have different notification requirements- in most places that had them I've worked at, it was 2 weeks for vacation and asap for sick leave. Vacation time could be denied if, say, the job involved time sensitive equipment or safety related tasks (I.e. nursing) and others had already requested the time off. Abusing sick leave- depending on the job- has very real consequences for yo…

So do those consequences you mention suddenly disappear if you're _actually_ sick? The fixation on "abuse" and that it can be easily determined doesn't make sense.

No, the consequences don't disappear. But, if you're in a position where when there's a difference in notice required for planned (vacation) and unplanned (sick) time off, and you take sick time off for vacation, you're effectively creating an unnecessary disruption. Maybe the manager has to scramble to find someone willing to come in on short notice. Maybe a temp staffer has to be hired in from an agency. Maybe that's not feasible, and someone has to work a double shift. Depends entirely on the job.

If it doesn't matter, then the company shouldn't be distinguishing between vacation and sick time off anyway. If it does matter, then personally I wouldn't want to work with someone who would do that.

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by amazingman »

dang wrote: post #210
amazingman wrote: post #206

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Now you’ve labeled someone who simply disagreed with you with the “alt-right” epithet. You are demonizing anyone who disagrees with —or asks you to clarify the provenance of— your specific conclusions. You could stop, but first you’ll need to stop and ask yourself how you’ve come to know what you think you know. (Reworded some unnecessarily churlish language)

Please don't do ideological flamewar on HN. It's not what this site is for. Also, personal attacks are definitely not ok—we ban accounts for that—so would you please review the site guidelines and use HN as intended? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Definitely wasn’t intending to do that. Is the edit sufficient? Should I remove the wrapped language entirely?

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by dang »

nameismypw wrote: post #211
dang wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't do ideological flamewar on HN. It's not what this site is for, and it eats what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sorry, no. If HN is syndicating alt-right hate magazines, I'm going to call it out, and keep calling it out. That's eating more than HN, it's eating society. If you're complicit, then I'll call you out too. This is not the time in history to prioritize civility.

HN exists to gratify curiosity. People come here to get away from grandiose battles and shrill rhetoric. It's only a small minority of the community who want to use it for such things. The rest find it tedious because it's all so predictable—in fact, it gets more predictable as it gets hotter, and above a certain temperature all such comments are the same.

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by nameismypw »

dang wrote: post #212
nameismypw wrote: post #192

It doesn't seem appropriate to discuss a Quillette article without mentioning that it's an alt-right publication. We must not normalize it, and I strongly encourage people to flag the submission. A preliminary search will turn up plenty of reprehensible authors and plenty more reprehensible articles. Posts like these are low-key attempts for Quillette to legitimatize itself.

It's penalized on HN the same way we downweight all mostly-political or ideological publications. But such sites do come up with the occasional interesting article, and on HN we care about the article, not the site. Same with Jacobin or something like that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by nameismypw »

dang wrote: post #215
nameismypw wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, no. If HN is syndicating alt-right hate magazines, I'm going to call it out, and keep calling it out. That's eating more than HN, it's eating society. If you're complicit, then I'll call you out too. This is not the time in history to prioritize civility.

HN exists to gratify curiosity. People come here to get away from grandiose battles and shrill rhetoric. It's only a small minority of the community who want to use it for such things. The rest find it tedious because it's all so predictable—in fact, it gets more predictable as it gets hotter, and above a certain temperature all such comments are the same.

Do you think that might be why big tech is ruining the world, and do you see yourself as a contributor to that?

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by dang »

amazingman wrote: post #214
dang wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't do ideological flamewar on HN. It's not what this site is for. Also, personal attacks are definitely not ok—we ban accounts for that—so would you please review the site guidelines and use HN as intended? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Definitely wasn’t intending to do that. Is the edit sufficient? Should I remove the wrapped language entirely?

I appreciate your textual scrupulosity but that's way too hard to read. I wouldn't be squeamish about editing.

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by dang »

nameismypw wrote: post #217
dang wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN exists to gratify curiosity. People come here to get away from grandiose battles and shrill rhetoric. It's only a small minority of the community who want to use it for such things. The rest find it tedious because it's all so predictable—in fact, it gets more predictable as it gets hotter, and above a certain temperature all such comments are the same.

Do you think that might be why big tech is ruining the world, and do you see yourself as a contributor to that?

I think it's good to have a place on the internet that's dedicated to intellectual curiosity. Don't you? If that ends up not being possible because it burns with political flames, to me that would be part of ruining the world. (A small part. I don't think HN is important in the grand scheme of things.) There are other places to fight grand battles—most other places, in fact.

HN isn't particularly correlated with big tech. It's a place for people to congregate and share and talk about what they find interesting.

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by chance_state »

dang wrote: post #215
nameismypw wrote: post #211

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Sorry, no. If HN is syndicating alt-right hate magazines, I'm going to call it out, and keep calling it out. That's eating more than HN, it's eating society. If you're complicit, then I'll call you out too. This is not the time in history to prioritize civility.

HN exists to gratify curiosity. People come here to get away from grandiose battles and shrill rhetoric. It's only a small minority of the community who want to use it for such things. The rest find it tedious because it's all so predictable—in fact, it gets more predictable as it gets hotter, and above a certain temperature all such comments are the same.

>The rest find it tedious because it's so predictable—in fact, it gets more predictable as it gets hotter, and above a certain temperature all such comments are the same.

I enjoy discussion on HN because it's moderated to remain below this temperature of predictability.

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