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Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by chance_state » Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 4:44 AM UTC

nameismypw wrote: post #198

amazingman wrote: post #196

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Quillette is not an alt-right publication. At “worst” it is a center-right publication, and if you can’t see the value of such a publication existing then you should probably question your own epistemology. Re: the “cement milkshake conspiracy”, the Portland police’s official twitter account posted a warning about cement milkshakes. For a (short) period after that, it was entirely reasonable to mention it as a real p…

Quillette is strongly associated with "the intellectual dark web," which is associated with the alt-right. Quillette publishes prominent alt-right individuals. Several articles on the front page, including the one you mention, favorably portray alt-right individuals. You seem to be familiar with them, so I think that you're aware of this, to be honest.

>Quillette is undeniably associated with "the intellectual dark web," which is undeniably associated with the alt-right.

You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion.

People who consider themselves public figures from "the intellectual dark web" have time and again made clear that they have virtually nothing in common with the alt-right (Sam Harris on countless occasions, for example).

In your OP you say,

>A preliminary search will turn up plenty of reprehensible authors and plenty more reprehensible articles.

Can you list some examples please? This hasn't been my experience as a casual reader of Quillette.

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by cocacolacowboy » Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 4:45 AM UTC

amazingman wrote: post #196

nameismypw wrote: post #192

It doesn't seem appropriate to discuss a Quillette article without mentioning that it's an alt-right publication. We must not normalize it, and I strongly encourage people to flag the submission. A preliminary search will turn up plenty of reprehensible authors and plenty more reprehensible articles. Posts like these are low-key attempts for Quillette to legitimatize itself.

Quillette is not an alt-right publication. At “worst” it is a center-right publication, and if you can’t see the value of such a publication existing then you should probably question your own epistemology. Re: the “cement milkshake conspiracy”, the Portland police’s official twitter account posted a warning about cement milkshakes. For a (short) period after that, it was entirely reasonable to mention it as a real p…

Quillette is an alt-right forum designed to let people try and normalize old conservative ideas such as sexism, racism, and bigotry. It came from one founder not finding much acceptance of their anti-feminist ideas.

It's a glossy pseudo-academic forum for those who would rather play victim because they got their feelings hurt. They like to play the academic, but live in a world of high-toned soundbites

https://theoutline.com/post/2307/quillette-claire-lehmann-co...

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by nameismypw » Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 4:47 AM UTC

chance_state wrote: post #201

nameismypw wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quillette is strongly associated with "the intellectual dark web," which is associated with the alt-right. Quillette publishes prominent alt-right individuals. Several articles on the front page, including the one you mention, favorably portray alt-right individuals. You seem to be familiar with them, so I think that you're aware of this, to be honest.

>Quillette is undeniably associated with "the intellectual dark web," which is undeniably associated with the alt-right. You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion. People who consider themselves public figures from "the intellectual dark web" have time and again made clear that they have virtually nothing in common with the alt-right (Sam Harris on countless occasions, for example). In your OP you…

> You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion.

It is fact. You cannot have read anything about Quillette without also knowing that it's associated with the alt-right.

I've never understood why alt-right people feel the need to dogwhistle even to people who are familiar with that strategy. If you're going to have these opinions, you can at least acknowledge and stand by them. The only time you're wasting here is yours.

> People who consider themselves public figures from "the intellectual dark web" have time and again made clear that they have virtually nothing in common with the alt-right (Sam Harris on countless occasions, for example).

> Can you list some examples please? This hasn't been my experience as a casual reader of Quillette.

Sam Harris believes in scientific racism, so you can start there.

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by amazingman » Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 4:48 AM UTC

nameismypw wrote: post #198

amazingman wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quillette is not an alt-right publication. At “worst” it is a center-right publication, and if you can’t see the value of such a publication existing then you should probably question your own epistemology. Re: the “cement milkshake conspiracy”, the Portland police’s official twitter account posted a warning about cement milkshakes. For a (short) period after that, it was entirely reasonable to mention it as a real p…

Quillette is strongly associated with "the intellectual dark web," which is associated with the alt-right. Quillette publishes prominent alt-right individuals. Several articles on the front page, including the one you mention, favorably portray alt-right individuals. You seem to be familiar with them, so I think that you're aware of this, to be honest.

The “intellectual dark web” isn’t a real thing. Outside of Eric Weinstein, who coined the term, those who try to trade on being part of it (e.g. Rubin, Shapiro) are largely the reason why the term has become associated with toxicity. Indeed some of the other “members” of the IDW (e.g. Harris, Rogan) find the whole idea to be a bit silly.

I’ll also point out that you’re calling me “disingenuous” in one breath while broadly painting several individuals with wildly different politics, audiences, and personal ethics with the term “alt-right” in another.

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by Aloha » Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 4:50 AM UTC

JetezLeLogin wrote: post #108

throwawayjava wrote: post #59

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Seriously? That's the first/only question I ask about vacation policy because it's usually the only detail that isn't included in the first draft of the offer letter. Of course, I also ask before signing the contract. PTO is a significant part of your total compensation. Not clarifying how accrual works is just irresponsible. I honestly don't see how this is any different from asking about other time-based things, su…

"How does it accrue?" might be a better way of asking than "Can we start taking it right now?"

The worst place I was at treating vacation as if it was granted (it expired at the end of the year) but actually accrued it to you

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by amazingman » Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 4:51 AM UTC

nameismypw wrote: post #203

chance_state wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Quillette is undeniably associated with "the intellectual dark web," which is undeniably associated with the alt-right. You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion. People who consider themselves public figures from "the intellectual dark web" have time and again made clear that they have virtually nothing in common with the alt-right (Sam Harris on countless occasions, for example). In your OP you…

> You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion. It is fact. You cannot have read anything about Quillette without also knowing that it's associated with the alt-right. I've never understood why alt-right people feel the need to dogwhistle even to people who are familiar with that strategy. If you're going to have these opinions, you can at least acknowledge and stand by them. The only time you're wast…

Now you’ve labeled someone who simply disagreed with you with the “alt-right” epithet. You are demonizing anyone who disagrees with —or asks you to clarify the provenance of— your specific conclusions. You could stop, but first you’ll need to stop and ask yourself how you’ve come to know what you think you know.

(Reworded some unnecessarily churlish language)

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by zdragnar » Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 4:52 AM UTC

jschwartzi wrote: post #186

zdragnar wrote: post #166

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Sick days and vacation days typically have different notification requirements- in most places that had them I've worked at, it was 2 weeks for vacation and asap for sick leave. Vacation time could be denied if, say, the job involved time sensitive equipment or safety related tasks (I.e. nursing) and others had already requested the time off. Abusing sick leave- depending on the job- has very real consequences for yo…

Why is it abuse if I use my PTO? The whole point of PTO is that the company is agreeing to give you 10 days worth of slack. So obviously it shouldn't be a problem if you use that 10 days of slack. Are you telling me that the company is lying about the benefits it provides, and that it doesn't actually provide 10 days of sick leave? What else are they lying about?

In reverse order:

> Are you telling me that the company is lying about the benefits it provides,

No, I'm telling you that there's a difference in requirements for taking sick leave versus vacation. The only reason that sick leave doesn't have the same requirement as vacation is you don't choose when you get sick. If you take a sick day as a vacation day, you're forcing others to scramble to make up for you not being there.

> Why is it abuse if I use my PTO?

Perhaps you missed my intended emphasis on certain jobs that have time or safety sensitive responsibilities, such as nursing. It may not hurt the company for you to take those 10 days, but it does hurt whoever gets called in to fill in for you when they otherwise would have had off.

Here's a simple, real-world example: A company that runs a group-care home for disabled adults is currently understaffed due to a number of circumstances (the difficulty of the job being the biggest). There are four employees to cover 21 8-hour shifts each week (24 hours a day, 7 days a week total).

If someone calls in sick, the one of the others has to cover the shift. Under no circumstances can the house ever be unstaffed. Aside from a bit of overtime pay, the company isn't hurt, but everyone else is.

Not all jobs are like this. The consequences of taking a sick day as a vacation day (or simply being sick) usually aren't that severe. Maybe it's a manufacturing line and the manager has to step in to fill your role or something. Maybe it has no effect at all on anyone around you. In those cases, maybe it doesn't make sense for the company to distinguish between time off for being sick, and time off for vacation.

> The whole point of PTO is that the company is agreeing to give you 10 days worth of slack.

No, that's only true if the company doesn't distinguish between sick time off and vacation time off. Typically, where I've worked, all PTO was lumped into a single bucket, and no-one really cared. However, that is really more true of white collar work with long timelines and not so much in most other jobs (or the parent post I was replying to).

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 4:52 AM UTC

amazingman wrote: post #206

nameismypw wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion. It is fact. You cannot have read anything about Quillette without also knowing that it's associated with the alt-right. I've never understood why alt-right people feel the need to dogwhistle even to people who are familiar with that strategy. If you're going to have these opinions, you can at least acknowledge and stand by them. The only time you're wast…

Now you’ve labeled someone who simply disagreed with you with the “alt-right” epithet. You are demonizing anyone who disagrees with —or asks you to clarify the provenance of— your specific conclusions. You could stop, but first you’ll need to stop and ask yourself how you’ve come to know what you think you know. (Reworded some unnecessarily churlish language)

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Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by dang » Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 4:57 AM UTC

nameismypw wrote: post #203

chance_state wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Quillette is undeniably associated with "the intellectual dark web," which is undeniably associated with the alt-right. You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion. People who consider themselves public figures from "the intellectual dark web" have time and again made clear that they have virtually nothing in common with the alt-right (Sam Harris on countless occasions, for example). In your OP you…

> You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion. It is fact. You cannot have read anything about Quillette without also knowing that it's associated with the alt-right. I've never understood why alt-right people feel the need to dogwhistle even to people who are familiar with that strategy. If you're going to have these opinions, you can at least acknowledge and stand by them. The only time you're wast…

Please don't do ideological flamewar on HN. It's not what this site is for, and it eats what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by dang » Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 4:57 AM UTC

amazingman wrote: post #206

nameismypw wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion. It is fact. You cannot have read anything about Quillette without also knowing that it's associated with the alt-right. I've never understood why alt-right people feel the need to dogwhistle even to people who are familiar with that strategy. If you're going to have these opinions, you can at least acknowledge and stand by them. The only time you're wast…

Now you’ve labeled someone who simply disagreed with you with the “alt-right” epithet. You are demonizing anyone who disagrees with —or asks you to clarify the provenance of— your specific conclusions. You could stop, but first you’ll need to stop and ask yourself how you’ve come to know what you think you know. (Reworded some unnecessarily churlish language)

Please don't do ideological flamewar on HN. It's not what this site is for. Also, personal attacks are definitely not ok—we ban accounts for that—so would you please review the site guidelines and use HN as intended?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html