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Re: Inferno Operating System

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Post by mveety »

0815test wrote: post #16
m_sahaf wrote: post #11

There are times when I wish Plan9 and/or Inferno took off and won some respectable market share. Having a laptop, smartphone, tablet, Synology storage at home, servers on DO, and remnant external HDD from prior era becomes frustrating because my files end up being everywhere and nowhere. There were times when I want to be able to start working on some code on my laptop, pause, then continue work on my tablet later on…

> There were times when I want to be able to start working on some code on my laptop, pause, then continue work on my tablet later on In order to do these things 'cleanly' (with a truly unified view of the entire "system"), you need some sort of process migration infrastructure that even Plan9 and Inferno don't really give you, AFAICT. Projects like OpenMosix and OpenSSI attempted to provide this, but I'm not sure to…

Inferno and Plan 9 sorta had this. Octopus and Plan B were both allowed picking up where you left off on some other machine.

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Post by henesy »

Nice to see Inferno posted!

Some Inferno related stuff:

- Limbo by Example: https://github.com/henesy/limbobyexample

- The Inferno Shell: http://debu.gs/entries/inferno-part-1-shell

- Try Inferno in the browser: http://tryinferno.rekka.io/

- Cat-v Inferno resources: http://doc.cat-v.org/inferno

- Experiments in Inferno/Limbo: https://github.com/caerwynj/inferno-lab/

- Inferno Programming with Limbo: https://web.archive.org/web/20160304092801/http://www.gemuse... (also on cat-v)

- Developing Limbo modules in C: https://powerman.name/doc/Inferno/c_module_en

- Simple FS example in Limbo: https://github.com/henesy/simplefs-limbo

- Inferno client for Redis: https://github.com/pete/iredis

- Inferno for Nintendo DS: https://bitbucket.org/mjl/inferno-ds/src/default/

- Inferno as an Android app: https://github.com/bhgv/Inferno-OS_Android

- Inferno replacing Android (hellaphone): https://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/wiki/Home

- Porting Inferno to Raspberry Pi: https://github.com/yshurik/inferno-rpi

Re: Inferno Operating System

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Post by henesy »

rhabarba wrote: post #13
m_sahaf wrote: post #11

There are times when I wish Plan9 and/or Inferno took off and won some respectable market share. Having a laptop, smartphone, tablet, Synology storage at home, servers on DO, and remnant external HDD from prior era becomes frustrating because my files end up being everywhere and nowhere. There were times when I want to be able to start working on some code on my laptop, pause, then continue work on my tablet later on…

Plan 9 (and some of its distributions, namely 9front and 9pi, the latter being Plan 9 for the Raspberry Pi) are still developed. No revival needed. You'll just have to download, install and use them. And they come with VNC, if you absolutely need incompatible software like a sane web browser. edit: That said, I happily use some of Plan9port every day. There never was a better Acme editor (or, rather, Acme2k) on any o…

Yeah Richard Miller just put out tentative support for the Raspberry Pi 4 for his pi port.

https://9p.io/sources/contrib/miller/9/bcm/

Re: Inferno Operating System

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Post by henesy »

ACE_Recliner wrote: post #18

Just a note for anyone who is looking to try this out: there are currently some fairly hard baked and thorny 32 bit dependencies in the Dis VM, so your system will need to be multilib to run it. There's currently a 64 bit porting effort going on in the form of Purgatorio, but that's still some time away from being complete (I recommend using it anyway because it's the most up to date version of the Inferno tree).

Source: http://code.9front.org/hg/purgatorio/

Purgatorio 64-bit is a ways away, but is a goal.

It'll happen eventually, but the more eyes the better.

Re: Inferno Operating System

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Post by bigato »

rhabarba wrote: post #13
m_sahaf wrote: post #11

There are times when I wish Plan9 and/or Inferno took off and won some respectable market share. Having a laptop, smartphone, tablet, Synology storage at home, servers on DO, and remnant external HDD from prior era becomes frustrating because my files end up being everywhere and nowhere. There were times when I want to be able to start working on some code on my laptop, pause, then continue work on my tablet later on…

Plan 9 (and some of its distributions, namely 9front and 9pi, the latter being Plan 9 for the Raspberry Pi) are still developed. No revival needed. You'll just have to download, install and use them. And they come with VNC, if you absolutely need incompatible software like a sane web browser. edit: That said, I happily use some of Plan9port every day. There never was a better Acme editor (or, rather, Acme2k) on any o…

No need for vnc on 9front to access a browser nowadays. You can run the browser inside vmx.

Re: Inferno Operating System

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Post by henesy »

rhabarba wrote: post #14
panpanna wrote: post #4

In reality, this was an attempt to turn Plan 9 into a commercial product. Plan 9 despite it's crazy UI (the shell and editor have been ported to Linux so some people must have liked it) brought a lot of new ideas which eventually found their way into other projects such as Linux containers and Go (for obvious reasons). One really good idea that died with Plan 9 was transparent distribution of CPUs across the network.…

Except that Plan 9 has not died.

Yeah idk why people have this notion.

Last 9front commit was… 3 days ago: http://code.9front.org/hg/plan9front/

Re: Inferno Operating System

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Post by rhabarba »

bigato wrote: post #25
rhabarba wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plan 9 (and some of its distributions, namely 9front and 9pi, the latter being Plan 9 for the Raspberry Pi) are still developed. No revival needed. You'll just have to download, install and use them. And they come with VNC, if you absolutely need incompatible software like a sane web browser. edit: That said, I happily use some of Plan9port every day. There never was a better Acme editor (or, rather, Acme2k) on any o…

No need for vnc on 9front to access a browser nowadays. You can run the browser inside vmx.

The manpage ("bugs") suggests that I shouldn't do that. But thank you a lot - I had, indeed, entirely missed that!

Re: Inferno Operating System

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Post by bigato »

rhabarba wrote: post #27
bigato wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need for vnc on 9front to access a browser nowadays. You can run the browser inside vmx.

The manpage ("bugs") suggests that I shouldn't do that. But thank you a lot - I had, indeed, entirely missed that!

Naaah it just works fine

Re: Inferno Operating System

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Post by henesy »

fghtr wrote: post #2

Namespaces: a program's view of the network is a single, coherent namespace that appears as a hierarchical file system but may represent physically separated (locally or remotely) resources Standard communication protocol: a standard protocol, called Styx, is used to access all resources, both local and remote This looks similar to Qubes Air roadmap: https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2018/01/22/qubes-air/

The concept here is fairly profound and you could make the analogy of power to something like Lisp.

Lisp everything is a symbol, in Plan9 everything is a file and all namespaces are mutable. This concept is combined in the Interim OS experiment[1]. The idea of everything is a file is very literal and very serious compared to say, unix.

It's worth noting that 9p, while a filesystem protocol, is closer in concept to a REST api than something like say ext4.

In Plan9, the kernel could be thought of as a 9p connection router/multiplexer and all system resources and all servers must express themselves as 9p filesystems. The tooling 9p provides allows you to take trees of named objects (filesystems) and rearrange them however you please and place child processes under rules for modifying their own trees and how they can break scope, if at all.

Forking is more dynamic as provided by rfork[2] where you can give a child a specific subset of your process's namespace. So you could make a child who can only see specific files, executables, or resources and make it so that the child can't mount, unmount, etc.

[1] Interim OS: https://github.com/mntmn/interim

[2] http://man.cat-v.org/9front/2/fork

Some cool manuals:

- http://man.cat-v.org/9front/1/bind

- http://man.cat-v.org/9front/1/ns

- http://man.cat-v.org/9front/3/proc

- http://man.cat-v.org/9front/5/intro

Re: Inferno Operating System

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Post by henesy »

henesy wrote: post #26
rhabarba wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that Plan 9 has not died.

Yeah idk why people have this notion. Last 9front commit was… 3 days ago: http://code.9front.org/hg/plan9front/

s/o to the wip 9front ports tree, too: http://code.9front.org/hg/ports
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