I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento • Hacker News Board

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by m0zg » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 8:39 PM UTC

komali2 wrote: post #51

ilaksh wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

State propaganda is a key function of mainstream outlets like the New York Times. Same in all countries. People just grow up brainwashed into thinking that their country has made a break from history.

What makes you believe the new York Times works with the US government to publish stories that benefit the interests of the US government? What mechanism do you believe the US government uses to reward the nytimes for publishing propaganda? Do they get a black money payment? Do they get not-jailed (as in China?)

More importantly: in the situation where the majority of "free" press is controlled by 5-6 people, it's more profitable to exert this market power rather than to do government bidding for free. So US press is not quite Pravda, but it also has very little to do with reporting the facts, and that factual component has markedly diminished as the press entered a period of decline 10-15 years ago. Now it's just mostly driving clicks through opinion columns misrepresented as news, and fomenting outrage.

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by fzeroracer » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 8:41 PM UTC

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #52

vharuck wrote: post #47

I like the author's take on warehouse work, probably because it squares with mine. I went to high school with almost entirely white peers, was going to college without having to take on any loans, and I got the warehouse job because my dad worked in the offices. I met people who lived in completely different environments and believed completely different things, and it was awesome. One thing I don't agree with: >If B…

Yes and no. I was once in a HR seminar where they welcomed you to the company. When the woman said "we get 19 days PTO a year", you'd be surprised how many people shot up and said "can we start taking them right now?" Before they had even worked a day! PTO days are accurred by hours worked. For me, it's ~6 hours per 15 calendar days. You think you're entitled to PTO having worked 0 hours?...

You're making a few massive assumptions here.

The first is that PTO is accrued by hours worked. This is not the case everywhere, some places refresh your PTO allowances at the start of the year and some will give you partial PTO when you start working.

The second is you assume that they, literally, want to take it right now. They might want to start making plans, or they might've been hired close to a holiday etc.

Also the way you phrase it as 'entitled' is worrying, because it's a two way street. I signed an offer letter because I felt working at X company would be beneficial for me. If a company is giving me PTO, then I'm going to use that PTO and I want to know when and what restrictions there may be.

I'm owed whatever the company decided to offer me during the process of interviewing and recruitment.

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 8:42 PM UTC

the8472 wrote: post #32

Guest42 wrote: post #23

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"The weak law of large numbers states that the sample average converges in probability towards the expected value" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers

Ah, I was thinking of "The Law of Truly Large Numbers"

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Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by ilaksh » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 8:45 PM UTC

komali2 wrote: post #51

ilaksh wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

State propaganda is a key function of mainstream outlets like the New York Times. Same in all countries. People just grow up brainwashed into thinking that their country has made a break from history.

What makes you believe the new York Times works with the US government to publish stories that benefit the interests of the US government? What mechanism do you believe the US government uses to reward the nytimes for publishing propaganda? Do they get a black money payment? Do they get not-jailed (as in China?)

See reporting regarding WMD or any other official justification for any war.

It's just a necessary part of the military to be able to distribute information to motivate overt activities. Because soldiers and the public will not tolerate military action without moral justification. And the reality is, military activity is not based on moral issues. Rather it is strategic. For example, activities in the middle east have not been isolated instances of "preserving democracy" as portrayed. Rather they are part of a continuous, many-decade regional strategic effort related to resources, territorial control, etc.

Look at a map. Does it seem like a coincidence that the bad guys just happened to be in a small section of the world and just happened to be on either side of Iran?

In fact in some ways the roots of this conflict go back centuries.

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by jccalhoun » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 8:46 PM UTC

I saw that this was a link to the quillette and wondered how they would tackle the topic. I thought, "I bet they are somehow going to say working there is great."

I guess if nothing else you can say quillette is predictable.

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 8:46 PM UTC

komali2 wrote: post #51

ilaksh wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

State propaganda is a key function of mainstream outlets like the New York Times. Same in all countries. People just grow up brainwashed into thinking that their country has made a break from history.

What makes you believe the new York Times works with the US government to publish stories that benefit the interests of the US government? What mechanism do you believe the US government uses to reward the nytimes for publishing propaganda? Do they get a black money payment? Do they get not-jailed (as in China?)

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Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 8:49 PM UTC

ilaksh wrote: post #64

komali2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you believe the new York Times works with the US government to publish stories that benefit the interests of the US government? What mechanism do you believe the US government uses to reward the nytimes for publishing propaganda? Do they get a black money payment? Do they get not-jailed (as in China?)

See reporting regarding WMD or any other official justification for any war. It's just a necessary part of the military to be able to distribute information to motivate overt activities. Because soldiers and the public will not tolerate military action without moral justification. And the reality is, military activity is not based on moral issues. Rather it is strategic. For example, activities in the middle east hav…

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Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by seibelj » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 8:49 PM UTC

blueboo wrote: post #54

seibelj wrote: post #48

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> Or it’s the kind of vile right-wing strawman-bestrewn ass-covering FUD typical of Quillete. This is the precise type of commentary that is extremely off-putting to me. I consider myself a critical reader and what you wrote is the type of argument I immediately dismiss.

“Don’t tell me what to think” mere moments after > we need fair-minded and accurate reporting about the companies we patronize, not scaremongering polemics preaching a black-and-white gospel of tyranny and exploitation ...the author lectured us on why -all- the previous reportage should be unskeptically dismissed. Context is so...inconvenient if you believe the literal truth is always found on the page. I for one alw…

So why didn’t you say a thoughtful argument with quotes to make your point the first time? Why open your argument with a blanket hysterical statement that immediately makes me question everything else you say?

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by lionsdan » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 8:49 PM UTC

toasterlovin wrote: post #43

anigbrowl wrote: post #16

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About what I'd expect from Quillette, which publishes articles on phrenology and calls it science.

Citation needed.

Probably referring to the contents of this: https://quillette.com/2019/06/05/superior-the-return-of-race...

Re: I work in an Amazon warehouse in West Sacramento

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Post by joe5150 » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 8:55 PM UTC

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #52

vharuck wrote: post #47

I like the author's take on warehouse work, probably because it squares with mine. I went to high school with almost entirely white peers, was going to college without having to take on any loans, and I got the warehouse job because my dad worked in the offices. I met people who lived in completely different environments and believed completely different things, and it was awesome. One thing I don't agree with: >If B…

Yes and no. I was once in a HR seminar where they welcomed you to the company. When the woman said "we get 19 days PTO a year", you'd be surprised how many people shot up and said "can we start taking them right now?" Before they had even worked a day! PTO days are accurred by hours worked. For me, it's ~6 hours per 15 calendar days. You think you're entitled to PTO having worked 0 hours?...

entitled? PTO is part of my compensation, of course I'm entitled to it.