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Reddit AMA: I'm a Former Amazon Fulfillment Center Employee

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What's the over-under on how much longer Amazon will employ people for warehouse jobs? 10 years?

At least. Robots will (and are) reducing the number of employees, but humans are incredibly flexible components to stick in your pipeline. Fully eliminating the use of them will take a long time unless there is a large external motivator (i.e. politics/unionization making it untenable to continue hiring humans for the tasks).

(Personal opinion, I have no special experience in the field)

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Exactly. Capitalists who don't want collective bargaining probably shouldn't motivate people to see their strength in numbers. I don't see any mystery in why employees would band together in situations like these. They'd be fools not to.

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The northeast and upper midwest are pro-union and people aren't raised to think that way in those places. It's a big country.

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The northeast and upper midwest are pro-union and people aren't raised to think that way in those places. It's a big country.

Fair enough. There are parts of the country for which it is definitely true, though. I'm part of a number of Amazon employee groups on Facebook and the recent news of strikes by Amazon employees over Prime day was met with almost universal derision there - by FC employees, not even managers or tech workers.

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Exactly. Capitalists who don't want collective bargaining probably shouldn't motivate people to see their strength in numbers. I don't see any mystery in why employees would band together in situations like these. They'd be fools not to.

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If a businessperson uses all available means to profit, it is smart.

If a worker does the same, it is lazy.

Re: Reddit AMA: I'm a Former Amazon Fulfillment Center Employee

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I see “modern day slavery” and I stop reading. There are no whips. No rape. No families torn apart. No slave ships. Grow up people.

What would 'modern day slavery' look like? And what would be the most appropriate phrase for the scenario described in the link?

One obvious example of modern day slavery in the United States is prison labor. It's not rare, and it's still disproportionately black people because of our racist "justice" system.

Re: Reddit AMA: I'm a Former Amazon Fulfillment Center Employee

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What's the over-under on how much longer Amazon will employ people for warehouse jobs? 10 years?

At least. Robots will (and are) reducing the number of employees, but humans are incredibly flexible components to stick in your pipeline. Fully eliminating the use of them will take a long time unless there is a large external motivator (i.e. politics/unionization making it untenable to continue hiring humans for the tasks). (Personal opinion, I have no special experience in the field)

>humans are incredibly flexible components to stick in your pipeline

You can also lay them off during a downturn and substantially cut costs. That is a big deal.

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I see “modern day slavery” and I stop reading. There are no whips. No rape. No families torn apart. No slave ships. Grow up people.

Just as the means of production have evolved so too have the means of oppression and control. Not that I'm putting words in OP's mouth, but I'm sure they are not making a direct comparison of "this is just like that," more a "This is the modern version of that."

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Anyone who says unions are no longer necessary should go and work in an Amazon warehouse for a year. Until the workforce organizes, this is going to keep happening.

It seems that the US union law favors so called enterprise bargaining or worksite-level bargaining. Companies and workplaces either unionize or not. That kind of system pits unions against companies. If the workplace unionizes, non-unionized companies get an advantage. Whoever fucks their workers hardest gets competitive advantage. My experience of unions comes as an entrepreneur in countries with sectoral bargaining…

The whole let's run workers like machines idea because they are poor and they have no bargaining power is very closely akin to slavery and yet is tolerated... and not thought of as completely immoral. I mean how the fuck do you get away with limiting the ability of people to use the restroom.
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