Oregon passed sweeping housing crisis laws

Post by thrav » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 1:33 PM UTC

scribu wrote: post #13

Misdicorl wrote: post #5

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> It is exclusionary by nature; economic segregation is often the intent, and in most cases the impact. This seems awfully reductionist. I think often the intent is more along the lines of- "We want to live in a place where kids can walk to their friends house without an adult escort and/or play kickball in the street. We've observed that this becomes unsafe in places with high density populations, so lets prevent hi…

> We've observed that [leaving children unattended] becomes unsafe in places with high density populations. Is that factually accurate, or just a false impression that people get? Let's assume it is objectively more unsafe. Is the problem the high density or is it some other aspect that causes issues? Most kids in East European countries, the vast majority of which grow up in high density neighborhoods, are left unat…

Post by Mountain_Skies » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 1:38 PM UTC

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sampo wrote: post #2

> Lawmakers passed a first-in-the-nation cap on rent increases Unfortunately, rent control will have the opposite effect of what Oregon thinks, and only make housing scarcity worse. https://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/07/opinion/reckonings-a-rent... https://www.governing.com/gov-institute/voices/col-rent-cont... > in an effort to spur new homebuilding, became the only state to eliminate single-family-only zoning in many…

> Unfortunately, rent control will have the opposite effect of what Oregon thinks, and only make housing scarcity worse. I always found it odd that rent control always seems to be an all-or-nothing policy: either things are tamped down on, or it's a laissez faire system. Does any locality have a "hybrid" approached. Something like: * buildings 0-5 years old, allow up to 3x inflation rent increases * buildings 5-10 ye…

Post by huffmsa » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 1:40 PM UTC

isoskeles wrote: post #20

huffmsa wrote: post #15

Regulations to fix regulations.... Perhaps the root issue is that the government tries "helping" too much. Neither California nor Oregon have the the spatial constraints somewhere like NYC does. Both states and their cities have implement policies which only make sense when you've run out of land and the ability to develop relatively unregulated. Government intervention except for at the last possible moment almost a…

I agree with the first sentence. And the last one too. However, San Francisco in particular has worse spatial constraints than NYC. That city has “run out of land.”

Post by Mountain_Skies » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 1:41 PM UTC

isoskeles wrote: post #20

huffmsa wrote: post #15

Regulations to fix regulations.... Perhaps the root issue is that the government tries "helping" too much. Neither California nor Oregon have the the spatial constraints somewhere like NYC does. Both states and their cities have implement policies which only make sense when you've run out of land and the ability to develop relatively unregulated. Government intervention except for at the last possible moment almost a…

I agree with the first sentence. And the last one too. However, San Francisco in particular has worse spatial constraints than NYC. That city has “run out of land.”

Post by shams93 » Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 1:52 PM UTC

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #23

throw0101a wrote: post #8

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> Unfortunately, rent control will have the opposite effect of what Oregon thinks, and only make housing scarcity worse. I always found it odd that rent control always seems to be an all-or-nothing policy: either things are tamped down on, or it's a laissez faire system. Does any locality have a "hybrid" approached. Something like: * buildings 0-5 years old, allow up to 3x inflation rent increases * buildings 5-10 ye…

Older buildings have all kinds of maintenance issues. Even if predictable, they're still an added expense, especially for major systems. Without allowing rental unit owners to pass those costs along to the renters, either the units will be taken off the rental market or they will be allowed to disintegrate over time until they're no longer habitable.