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Amazon deforestation: Brazil's Bolsonaro dismisses data as 'lies'

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Re: Amazon deforestation: Brazil's Bolsonaro dismisses data as 'lies'

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I don't have the time or patience to engage, but for the ones that don't have a side in Brazilian politics, the Amazon should be fine. Bolsonaro is a fool with words, but has shown to be well intended. He'll probably come around on this particular issue (as it has already happened a few times during his government).

"don't pay attention to what he says or does, just have blind faith that he'll be great!"

Re: Amazon deforestation: Brazil's Bolsonaro dismisses data as 'lies'

#24
What needs to happen for Long Term Earth?

1) The economics of every process must take into account the cost of the environment. If it's not going to biodegrade, that costs. If it comes from an unsustainable logging practice, that costs. If came in a boat from across the world, that costs. Adding the cost of environmental consequences to all stages of production opens up the room for investors to sensibly bet on less damaging production methods. We will look back at this time and rub our eyes when we realise what an insane free-for-all it has been.

2) A global body needs to be created to handle environmental policy, probably balancing quality of life with environmental outcomes. This body should be elected, but independent from politicians. Just like monetary policy was been removed from the easily bendable hands of politicians, the environment needs to be too. This deals with i) the short term thinking required of politicians [elections] ii) the global nature of the problem.

Re: Amazon deforestation: Brazil's Bolsonaro dismisses data as 'lies'

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post #21

I don't have the time or patience to engage, but for the ones that don't have a side in Brazilian politics, the Amazon should be fine. Bolsonaro is a fool with words, but has shown to be well intended. He'll probably come around on this particular issue (as it has already happened a few times during his government).

"don't pay attention to what he says or does, just have blind faith that he'll be great!"

I actually meant the exact opposite of that. Stop reading headlines and start looking at what is being done.

Re: Amazon deforestation: Brazil's Bolsonaro dismisses data as 'lies'

#27

I don't have the time or patience to engage, but for the ones that don't have a side in Brazilian politics, the Amazon should be fine. Bolsonaro is a fool with words, but has shown to be well intended. He'll probably come around on this particular issue (as it has already happened a few times during his government).

He’s been dubbed the Trump of the tropics. Similar political leanings. The environment is not a priority.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jair-bolso...

Re: Amazon deforestation: Brazil's Bolsonaro dismisses data as 'lies'

#28

I don't have the time or patience to engage, but for the ones that don't have a side in Brazilian politics, the Amazon should be fine. Bolsonaro is a fool with words, but has shown to be well intended. He'll probably come around on this particular issue (as it has already happened a few times during his government).

Unfortunately for the rest of humanity, the 1000sqm of forest removed last month will not come back around as easily.

Re: Amazon deforestation: Brazil's Bolsonaro dismisses data as 'lies'

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"don't pay attention to what he says or does, just have blind faith that he'll be great!"

I actually meant the exact opposite of that. Stop reading headlines and start looking at what is being done.

Which is exactly what in this case, considering the increase in logging is happening under his government?

Re: Amazon deforestation: Brazil's Bolsonaro dismisses data as 'lies'

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We really live in the age of head-in-sand. How do you do anything about that? Somehow reality has become not just optional and uncertain in our policies, perceptions and opinions, but downright irrelevant. When there's no merit in even trying to be truthful and accurate, well... you get this.

I think this is one of the costs of democracy. We could always just take power away from all the uneducated who rely on emotion-based decision making. And then somehow punish the educated who do the same despite being equipped with the tools to parse the facts. I'm sure this would work out horribly.

Making an educated/uneducated dichotomy is part of the problem, the educated have also made plenty of horrible decisions, not paying any price for it, and lecturing the rest all the same. Nassim Taleb's framework seems to be more interesting here: there are those with and those without skin in the game.
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