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Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

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Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

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I don't like mega-corporations stealing away the "public land" of the RF spectrum. This is like having a nice public park in your neighborhood get replaced with a Goldman Sachs corporate building.

The difference is those public parks get used. 44.0.0.0/8 is mostly empty.

ARDC is notorious for radio silence followed by soundly rejecting claims for address space. They're absolutely squatting on it and hoping it flies under the radar, as noted in other comments.

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#32
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All questions are answered at https://www.ampr.org/amprnet/ (which was submitted several times but didn't make the front page).

Seems like that site is down. Here's the archive.org link for those interested: https://web.archive.org/web/20190719150143/https://www.ampr....

Even this link isn't working for me, unfortunately. Something's up with archive.org.

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#33
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Informative thread, with some details on the 501(c)(3) being funded with the profits: https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-July/102138.h...

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/rp1995-48.pdf

I'll bet you it still just vanishes...

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#34

The money involved in IPv4 allocations - and name allocations too - really sickens me. It's a blemish on humanity and a testament to the limitless nature of human greed. IANA (and ICANN as a whole) is a corrupt, captured organization that I think represents the worst of the internet when it should have been the best of it. Removing price caps on .org, gold rushing outrageously priced gTLDs to anyone with the money (p…

I'm confused. You're blaming humanity because a marketplace developed following the scarcity of a commodity? Why was any of this bad behavior? I'm genuinely confused.

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#35
I don't really have a problem with selling off parts of 44/8 that are unlikely to ever be used.

I do have a big problem with the ARDC unilaterally doing this without any public discussion or real accountability.

They should have created a new foundation with board members from various amateur radio organizations (ARRL, AMSAT, IARU, TAPR, etc) in order to manage the (rumored $50 million) funds.

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#36

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44.192.0.0/10 was sold which equals 4,194,304 IP addresses. At $20.00/address that comes out to a cool $83,886,040. Using this to base the IP address cost: https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales

None of the big guys are paying this much, especially for blocks this size. $5-10/IP.

Nice to see they get backroom deals for about 0.15% of the ip addresses on the internet, AND massive discounts.

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#37

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None of the big guys are paying this much, especially for blocks this size. $5-10/IP.

Nice to see they get backroom deals for about 0.15% of the ip addresses on the internet, AND massive discounts.

A volume discount isn't a backroom deal. Unless you think for some reason the group that controls 44.0.0.0/8 is beholden to Amazon or big tech for some reason.

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#38
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It’s frustrating that they paint the unused space as evidence of of abandonment, but the reality is that it’s been impossible to use any of this address space!

I didn't even know about it until yesterday! It's kept quiet and secret I guess. As a ham for 10 years now, I totally would've used this for projects if I could've got allocated space. I believe http://hamwan.org/ is on 44.0.0.0.

Well it’s not too late, they only sold a /10 of the /8

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#39
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Nice to see they get backroom deals for about 0.15% of the ip addresses on the internet, AND massive discounts.

A volume discount isn't a backroom deal. Unless you think for some reason the group that controls 44.0.0.0/8 is beholden to Amazon or big tech for some reason.

No, but the deal itself is certainly extremely suspect and with a total lack of transparency for a supposedly public resource.
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