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Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

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Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#11

Post by z3ugma »

Wow, this sounds crazy to an outsider. I highly recommend reading deep into the mailing list conversation from the link. It really does sound like a private organization "squatted" on a public resource, went under the radar for a long time, and then cashed out on their adverse possession.

My outsider perspective on this is ARIN needs to provide a transparency report on the number of complaints it received from legitimate ham operators who attempted to register addresses in this block but were denied by ARDC, and a general oversight review of the characteristics of ARDC as a community steward of this space.

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#13

Post by scroot »

z3ugma wrote: post #11

Wow, this sounds crazy to an outsider. I highly recommend reading deep into the mailing list conversation from the link. It really does sound like a private organization "squatted" on a public resource, went under the radar for a long time, and then cashed out on their adverse possession. My outsider perspective on this is ARIN needs to provide a transparency report on the number of complaints it received from legiti…

AMPR was one of the first organizations to register with the DNS in the early 80's. It was an original player on the ARPANET before it was "the Internet." In fact, they tried to register in 1987 using their own TLD (.AMPR) because, according to them, they were a "mobile" network (didn't fall under the ccTLDs) and did not fit into any of the existing gTLD categories. After some deliberation the NIC ultimately registered them under .ORG in 1988.

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#15

Post by cm2187 »

colechristensen wrote: post #6
farisjarrah wrote: post #2

I am not familiar with this domain, anyone mind answering: What does this mean for amateur radio practitioners, and what does this mean for the greater internet/communications industry?

They had a /8, out of that they sold a /10 to probably one of the big 5. They never got close to using the whole /8 and currently allocated about a third of it. They are using the money for grants and scholarships and perhaps an endowment to fund them perpetually (and just being cynical, probably paying the board who made this decision some of that money as well) IPs and blocks have been allocated for decades to peop…

What sort of money are we talking about here?

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#16

Post by icedchai »

z3ugma wrote: post #11

Wow, this sounds crazy to an outsider. I highly recommend reading deep into the mailing list conversation from the link. It really does sound like a private organization "squatted" on a public resource, went under the radar for a long time, and then cashed out on their adverse possession. My outsider perspective on this is ARIN needs to provide a transparency report on the number of complaints it received from legiti…

ARDC had administrative control of 44.0.0.0/8 for decades. It's not squatting... It's their space. There aren't enough active Hams in the world to use all of it, so nothing is lost. We'll all benefit more from Amazon and their customers making use of some of it.

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#17

Post by throwaway2048 »

colechristensen wrote: post #6
farisjarrah wrote: post #2

I am not familiar with this domain, anyone mind answering: What does this mean for amateur radio practitioners, and what does this mean for the greater internet/communications industry?

They had a /8, out of that they sold a /10 to probably one of the big 5. They never got close to using the whole /8 and currently allocated about a third of it. They are using the money for grants and scholarships and perhaps an endowment to fund them perpetually (and just being cynical, probably paying the board who made this decision some of that money as well) IPs and blocks have been allocated for decades to peop…

It has been nearly impossible to get an allocation from them as a ham, if they even bother responding at all, so i don't buy this. This is an obvious money grab.

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#18

Post by wmf »

cm2187 wrote: post #15
colechristensen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They had a /8, out of that they sold a /10 to probably one of the big 5. They never got close to using the whole /8 and currently allocated about a third of it. They are using the money for grants and scholarships and perhaps an endowment to fund them perpetually (and just being cynical, probably paying the board who made this decision some of that money as well) IPs and blocks have been allocated for decades to peop…

What sort of money are we talking about here?

$80M?

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#19

Post by dylz »

cm2187 wrote: post #15
colechristensen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They had a /8, out of that they sold a /10 to probably one of the big 5. They never got close to using the whole /8 and currently allocated about a third of it. They are using the money for grants and scholarships and perhaps an endowment to fund them perpetually (and just being cynical, probably paying the board who made this decision some of that money as well) IPs and blocks have been allocated for decades to peop…

What sort of money are we talking about here?

Market rate is 60-90 million. $25+/IP is reasonable given that it's a contiguous block, legacy, etc.

Re: Amateur radio digital communications 44.0.0.0/8 partial sell-off

#20

Post by throwaway2048 »

icedchai wrote: post #16
z3ugma wrote: post #11

Wow, this sounds crazy to an outsider. I highly recommend reading deep into the mailing list conversation from the link. It really does sound like a private organization "squatted" on a public resource, went under the radar for a long time, and then cashed out on their adverse possession. My outsider perspective on this is ARIN needs to provide a transparency report on the number of complaints it received from legiti…

ARDC had administrative control of 44.0.0.0/8 for decades. It's not squatting... It's their space. There aren't enough active Hams in the world to use all of it, so nothing is lost. We'll all benefit more from Amazon and their customers making use of some of it.

ARDC is supposed to be controlling it on behalf of amateur radio operators throughout the world, not selling it off to amazon.

A mission that they have completely ignored for years and years at a time mind you, it has been nearly impossible to get allocations out of them for extended stretches of time.

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