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Re: Employers are mining the data their workers generate

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Post by rhizome »

seneca wrote: post #5

The idea that McKesson does this, along with their completely tone deaf idea of adding open offices to increase retention, points to a bigger issue: a complete lack of understanding of people. These people running these companies are utterly detached from the reality that their work force lives day to day, such that they think implementing one of the most universally hated office schemes and mass surveillance are way…

points to a bigger issue: a complete lack of understanding of people.

What makes you think they even want this kind of understanding? Not to mention the handwavey vagueness of "understanding people."

Re: Employers are mining the data their workers generate

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Post by trilila »

dhruvmittal wrote: post #28
ziddoap wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what I really am having trouble understanding. How disconnected from reality do you need to be to think surveillance and converting to an open office is going to somehow increase retention of employees?

A surprising number of people in management seem to think "Oh, that'll make us very silicon valley and signal how cool & hip we are!" And a surprising number of people who haven't had to work in open offices before think "Oh, that'll be cool: social, innovative, and collaborative!"

In the UK almost all offices are open offices. I am not sure of the benefits of a cubicle as i never worked in one.

Re: Employers are mining the data their workers generate

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Post by kleer001 »

rhizome wrote: post #61
seneca wrote: post #5

The idea that McKesson does this, along with their completely tone deaf idea of adding open offices to increase retention, points to a bigger issue: a complete lack of understanding of people. These people running these companies are utterly detached from the reality that their work force lives day to day, such that they think implementing one of the most universally hated office schemes and mass surveillance are way…

points to a bigger issue: a complete lack of understanding of people. What makes you think they even want this kind of understanding? Not to mention the handwavey vagueness of "understanding people."

Psychology is the science of understanding people. There's also the burgeoning field of evolutionary psychology. There's nothing handwavey about any of it, at least when it's done well.

Re: Employers are mining the data their workers generate

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Post by QuickToBan »

chipperyman573 wrote: post #48
QuickToBan wrote: post #12

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Why do you feel you have a right to read this article? WSJ has paid someone to write it and for the infrastructure to deliver it to you (and technically, for the bandwidth as well - however negligible, there is a real financial cost associated with delivering the content to your computer that does add up). Either pay up or leave, but don't complain that you don't get it for free.

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Re: Employers are mining the data their workers generate

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Post by chipperyman573 »

QuickToBan wrote: post #64
chipperyman573 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you feel you have a right to read this article? WSJ has paid someone to write it and for the infrastructure to deliver it to you (and technically, for the bandwidth as well - however negligible, there is a real financial cost associated with delivering the content to your computer that does add up). Either pay up or leave, but don't complain that you don't get it for free.

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I'm not asking you to leave HN, I was suggesting you leave the WSJ website. And I didn't realize you were complaining about it being on HN (which I agree with) - I thought you were complaining about the fact the article was paywalled to begin with, my mistake.

Re: Employers are mining the data their workers generate

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Post by ABCLAW »

jedberg wrote: post #14

People keep forgetting that equipment and subscriptions are your employers property and data, not yours. They have the right to access anything they pay for without telling you. It's important to remain aware of this any time you do anything for work. Back before we had computers, there was nothing stopping a company from opening every memo that came through the mail room and recording every phone conversation and op…

>They have the right to access anything they pay for without telling you.

No, they don't.

Re: Employers are mining the data their workers generate

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Post by dlphn___xyz »

seneca wrote: post #5

The idea that McKesson does this, along with their completely tone deaf idea of adding open offices to increase retention, points to a bigger issue: a complete lack of understanding of people. These people running these companies are utterly detached from the reality that their work force lives day to day, such that they think implementing one of the most universally hated office schemes and mass surveillance are way…

i wonder if the higher ups are subjected to open work spaces

Re: Employers are mining the data their workers generate

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Post by driverdan »

ziddoap wrote: post #26
goatinaboat wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a complete lack of understanding of people People? Human resources . You know, things you use up and discard, like any resource.

"Human People Department" doesn't sound quite as pithy.

You joke but a lot of companies are renaming HR to make it sound more friendly.

Re: Employers are mining the data their workers generate

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Post by itronitron »

dlphn___xyz wrote: post #67
seneca wrote: post #5

The idea that McKesson does this, along with their completely tone deaf idea of adding open offices to increase retention, points to a bigger issue: a complete lack of understanding of people. These people running these companies are utterly detached from the reality that their work force lives day to day, such that they think implementing one of the most universally hated office schemes and mass surveillance are way…

i wonder if the higher ups are subjected to open work spaces

yes, very open, and they drive around them in little golf carts
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