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America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births

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Re: America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births

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Post by dang »

peanutgal2600 wrote: post #292
simonebrunozzi wrote: post #262

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Well, good point, but you should be more precise: strollers with HUMAN KIDS in them. I swear that at least one in two, perhaps even more, of these strollers today tend to have dogs in them. At least in San Francisco.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've seen anyone on HN say, and I've seen people defending rapists. I lived in San Francisco for 20 years and never, ever saw that. I'm not some boring techie who never leaves SOMA or the Mission, I've walked every street in san francisco (according to my Garmin), I've had a drink in every bar, I've made music in almost every park. Have you ever even been to San Francisco?

I believe you, but can you please not post in the flamewar style to HN, like you did here and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20478609 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20478704? It's not a good way to share information with others, and it makes the threads degenerate in a way we're hoping to avoid.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births

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Post by watwut »

tathougies wrote: post #385
watwut wrote: post #332

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> I also don't want to work, because it'd be more fun to be with babies all day and make more of them. I mean, this is just not true, you know. Being with babies whole day every day is not fun for overwhelming majority of adults, neither male nor female. They may see meaning in it, but like, fun it is not. And it definitely is not easy fun when you are on fourth or fifth baby, meaning care about siblings too. Also, m…

Sorry let me rephrase. If she would like to work and me stay at home id be happy with that. Children are work but they are by far the most important. As a child I wanted to be a stay at home dad, which i realize makes me somewhat odd, but we are odd people

Gotcha now. Maybe you will be able to switch for some time at least.

Re: America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #411
peanutgal2600 wrote: post #292

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That's the most ridiculous thing I've seen anyone on HN say, and I've seen people defending rapists. I lived in San Francisco for 20 years and never, ever saw that. I'm not some boring techie who never leaves SOMA or the Mission, I've walked every street in san francisco (according to my Garmin), I've had a drink in every bar, I've made music in almost every park. Have you ever even been to San Francisco?

I believe you, but can you please not post in the flamewar style to HN, like you did here and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20478609 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20478704 ? It's not a good way to share information with others, and it makes the threads degenerate in a way we're hoping to avoid. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by shawndrost »

rayiner wrote: post #378
thrwayxyz wrote: post #188

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It's a problem for women over 30. If men merely have to delay reproduction by 40 years to their 70s you can quite easily kick the can down the road for the next generation to deal with. Given how much worse each next generation is doing this may well seem like a great deal in 2060 to the women who are born in 10 years time.

Fun fact: millennial households earn more than their parents’ did at the same age: https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/FT_18...

Pretty obfuscatory fact. Inflation-adjusted wages are flat to declining. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us...

It confuses the matter to talk about household earnings, which obscure the increase in two-income households. (Two-income households have more income and expenses for a given standard of living, since homemakers are contributing to household earnings and expenses in a shadowed form.)

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Post by wcfields »

dralley wrote: post #339
peanutgal2600 wrote: post #294

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20 years after Roe vs Wade.

And, simultaneously, the removal of lead from gasoline

I don't know if this has ever been hypothesized, but HIV infection rates, and AIDS mortality among IV drug users in the 90's before the advent of medications?

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Post by CalRobert »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #398
dexen wrote: post #338

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>Not sure what comes after step 3 The steps 1...3 you described are literally "the demand for housing will gradually fall". What follows is, naturally, gradual lowering of the prices, with subsequent stabilization and rebirth. Curiously enough we observe the same patterns in nature: a species out-grows its prime ecological niche; the population starts falling down (usually without outright crashing), and then stabili…

The cycle doesn't always repeat. The cycle only repeats if fertility rates stay where they always have been... the elk continue to attempt procreation at the rates they always have. Then,once the foraging/pasture regrows, that rate being the same, the elk rebound. Calhoun proved this. The mice would, despite having everything they needed, despite the population crash giving them the space they apparently required, ju…

To be fair, my wife and I were both "definitely no children MAYBE 1" for a long time, but now that we live in an area with lots of 4+ children families (middle of Ireland) it doesn't seem so outlandish to have 3. We won't, because 1) we're old and 2) We should really view 2 as a hard max if we're going to try not to destroy Earth (though since it looks like we will anyway you might as well just have as many as you want I guess. More soldiers on your side for the food wars).

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

peanutgal2600 wrote: post #369
JoeSamoa wrote: post #361

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Dose that city still exist? Would love that experience...

It exists if you want to find it. Hint: It doesn't exist inside of a startup's office space. I've been to 60 countries, and there's nowhere in the world that has SF's diversity of music, art, food, cultures, peoples, points of view, businesses, and climates. The underground warehouse scene is still alive and well, as is the underground/aboveground bdsm/sex scene, the world music scene, hip-hop, bluegrass, techno (ugh…

Hey, despite your virulent reaction to my comment - which I think was exaggerate - I would like to hear more about this.

To give you context: I live in SF since 2012, and I try to bring my own experience and observations, rather than "stuff I read on Reddit". But of course I'm not perfect, and I am certainly biased in some ways.

You sound like someone who knows much more than me. Share it with us. That's what HN is for. Not for flame wars.

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Post by nickserv »

lonelappde wrote: post #395
nickserv wrote: post #336

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My early teenage years were in the city, my later teens in the suburbs. I hated that move to the burbs... Nothing to do except getting kicked out of the local mall or Borders. No libraries, no parks, no pools nearby... And no public transport. When before in the city I could just take public transport and go downtown, meet my friends, go to the library, etc.. Now that I have kids, I live in a city. But it's a quiet n…

You have a yard with public transit? That's clearly not scalable; it must be very expensive property.

It's a mixed area, there are single family homes, small apartment buildings and a few medium sized buildings (4-5 stories).

We don't have any metro lines but have bus and train.

Prices are reasonable because we are on the north face of a large hill and get little sun in the winter, and are not close to the downtown area.

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Post by aeneasmackenzie »

qwerty9876 wrote: post #291
aeneasmackenzie wrote: post #78

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Singapore's fertility rates are at the "rock thrown off a cliff" level.

It's not an environmental problem, it's a cultural problem. People just don't want to have children anymore, fertility rates have dropped a lot post-2012(smartphones and social media)

There are subgroups with above-replacement total fertility. Some people don't want to continue existing, but not everyone.

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Post by throwaway2048 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #251
topmonk wrote: post #74

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Japan has one of the lowest birthrates in the world, well below replacement rates. Their society is also consists almost entirely of Japanese that all share the same culture. It would be very hard to emulate what they do and even so, no real guarantee that it would change anything.

The low birthrate only strengthens the argument about seeing many children.

One person's anecdote doesn't strengthen much of anything.
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