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Arctic Summer Melt Shows Ice Is Disappearing Faster Than Normal

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Re: Arctic Summer Melt Shows Ice Is Disappearing Faster Than Normal

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Post by ForHackernews »

bobthepanda wrote: post #9
hsavit1 wrote: post #8

Please donate $1 to the Jay Inslee campaign, he's the only American Democratic candidate that has dedicated his campaign to fighting the climate crisis. Unfortunately, he's down in the polls and needs more supporters to keep him in the debates.

He hasn’t really been an effective governor of Washington, and his biggest legislative accomplishment is the largest tax break ever given to a corporation (til possibly Amazon) to a company that still ended up sending jobs away. He talks a lot of talk but he doesn’t walk the walk.

Who cares? He's not going to win but he can force the issue in the debates.

Re: Arctic Summer Melt Shows Ice Is Disappearing Faster Than Normal

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Post by sunshinelackof »

It's scary, but there's nothing I can do. We need approachingly authoritarian action on this issue by world leaders. They've had the data for decades. And the longer they wait, the more dramatic the changes to everything will be. Certainly economic freedoms taken for today will be a thing of legend (and possibly horror.)

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Post by GuiA »

ForHackernews wrote: post #10
mistrial9 wrote: post #6

in the 2007 time-frame, the US National Snow and Ice Science Center showed up en-masse in California and were flipping out about ice changes, semi-desperate to find some way to communicate to the public about it. Post-"Inconvenient Truth" and early days of Twitter, the idea that if "somehow, someway, people could know about this" things would get better faster, was the knee-jerk idea amongst people who were immersed…

Do what ? Normal people can't do anything worthwhile. Unless you're in a position to personally bankroll the research and buildout of fusion power (hi, Jeff) the only thing you can do at this late date is get in the face of your government representatives: Jam up their phone lines, sit in at their offices, back primary challengers who will address the problem.

I’ve been to a number of museum presentations, general audience scientific talks, etc recently where the speaker presents the evidence for climate change, future predictions, etc., and their main takeaway is “try to drive your car less and check out this website to see how you can curb your CO2 emissions!”.

It makes me so mad.

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Post by adrianN »

ForHackernews wrote: post #10
mistrial9 wrote: post #6

in the 2007 time-frame, the US National Snow and Ice Science Center showed up en-masse in California and were flipping out about ice changes, semi-desperate to find some way to communicate to the public about it. Post-"Inconvenient Truth" and early days of Twitter, the idea that if "somehow, someway, people could know about this" things would get better faster, was the knee-jerk idea amongst people who were immersed…

Do what ? Normal people can't do anything worthwhile. Unless you're in a position to personally bankroll the research and buildout of fusion power (hi, Jeff) the only thing you can do at this late date is get in the face of your government representatives: Jam up their phone lines, sit in at their offices, back primary challengers who will address the problem.

I agree that changing your lifestyle is not terribly useful compared to pestering politicians, but you can actually do a number of things to delay the catastrophe. The easiest are probably eating less beef and flying less. Not taking that transatlantic flight saves about as much carbon as the average European emits in a year.

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Post by Proven »

sunshinelackof wrote: post #12

It's scary, but there's nothing I can do. We need approachingly authoritarian action on this issue by world leaders. They've had the data for decades. And the longer they wait, the more dramatic the changes to everything will be. Certainly economic freedoms taken for today will be a thing of legend (and possibly horror.)

> We need approachingly authoritarian action on this issue by world leaders.

No we don't.

FYI, there are no "world leaders" and whatever corrupt bureaucrats they come up with to fake that, they have absolutely no right to force me to do anything about it.

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Post by lymeeducator »

sunshinelackof wrote: post #12

It's scary, but there's nothing I can do. We need approachingly authoritarian action on this issue by world leaders. They've had the data for decades. And the longer they wait, the more dramatic the changes to everything will be. Certainly economic freedoms taken for today will be a thing of legend (and possibly horror.)

Try to drive less, plant more, look for renewable electricity (CleanChoice or personal solar if possible), and vote the corrupt political shitheads out of office :-)

Re: Arctic Summer Melt Shows Ice Is Disappearing Faster Than Normal

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Post by adrianN »

sunshinelackof wrote: post #12

It's scary, but there's nothing I can do. We need approachingly authoritarian action on this issue by world leaders. They've had the data for decades. And the longer they wait, the more dramatic the changes to everything will be. Certainly economic freedoms taken for today will be a thing of legend (and possibly horror.)

Dumping a trillion dollars over twenty years into wind turbines, solar panels, batteries and power-to-gas would go a pretty long way without draconian measures. Providing strong monetary incentives to insulate buildings and install heat pumps doesn't have to be authoritarian either.

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Post by Ididntdothis »

sunshinelackof wrote: post #12

It's scary, but there's nothing I can do. We need approachingly authoritarian action on this issue by world leaders. They've had the data for decades. And the longer they wait, the more dramatic the changes to everything will be. Certainly economic freedoms taken for today will be a thing of legend (and possibly horror.)

" Certainly economic freedoms taken for today will be a thing of legend (and possibly horror.)"

We already have plenty of rules that restrict economic freedom like not being allowed to steal or to kill people or thousands of others. If we have rules that limit the freedom to pollute there is plenty of economic freedom left. People and businesses would adapt quickly.

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