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Re: America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births

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Post by JoeSamoa »

peanutgal2600 wrote: post #300
DanBC wrote: post #295

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There's a few images on Google which makes it sound like it happens. I don't know if it's ever going to be anywhere near 1:2. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=san+francisco+stroller+wit...

People come to San Francisco, and just lie about what they see. They don't really observe anything, they just repeat the myths and paranoid lies that they read on reddit and HN! The city that I know, have supported, run companies, run punk venues, run hacker houses, and taught children to program does not bear any resemblance to the views of recent techie imports.

Dose that city still exist? Would love that experience...

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Post by zachsnow »

sullyx wrote: post #191
zachsnow wrote: post #184

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This feels like hyperbole. Instead of saying you are wrong objectively, I’ll say instead that my subjective experience of “the city” is in stark contrast to this. Green spaces and the ocean abound. My neighbors are wonderful people. The businesses around me are owned and operated by local people. I can’t walk down the block without running into good folks with smiles on their faces. I try to bring the same energy to…

Where do you live?

CA, USA. To be fair it’s not like everyone is smiling all the time! But I genuinely feel that my neighborhood is a great community mostly consisting of interesting and friendly people.

Re: America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births

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Post by peanutgal2600 »

braythwayt wrote: post #323
peanutgal2600 wrote: post #292

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That's the most ridiculous thing I've seen anyone on HN say, and I've seen people defending rapists. I lived in San Francisco for 20 years and never, ever saw that. I'm not some boring techie who never leaves SOMA or the Mission, I've walked every street in san francisco (according to my Garmin), I've had a drink in every bar, I've made music in almost every park. Have you ever even been to San Francisco?

I have lived in Toronto most of my life, and I’ve seen plenty of people with dogs in strollers. But before we climb up on stage like a smug comic and bond with the audience by ridiculing people we don’t understand, let’s ask ourselves this: What do we do if our canine companion has mobility issues? How do we take them shopping with us so that they aren’t left at home, lonely? How do we take them to the park so they c…

So, are you telling me that 50% of all strollers in Toronto have dogs in them? You would be lying as much as the op.

People who hate San Franciscio move here to take our money, to complain about us not being boring like Palo Alto or Orange County. They don't contribute anything to our culture, they whine, moan, and think that we owe them something because they make $150k at a lame startup. Whoop de doo.

They make us miserable so that we don't notice their misery. Some aspy techie decides that the city is overwhelming for him, or some brogrammer wants to be able to slee pwith as many sorority girls as possible, then comes to SF and complain, and bitch, and moan, waaah waaah waah.

They always take the tiniest kernel of truth and blow it up beyond proportion. Waaaaah I want more housing, I have a right to cheap housing because I'm wealthy, waaaaaah! "Why won't theuy build skyscrapers in new york? HOW DARE THOSE NIMBIES PRACTICE DIRECT DEMOCRACY WHEN I DON'T AGREE WITH HOW THEY VOTE?!?!?!?!"

Show me 50% of all strollers having dogs in them. Go ahead, I'll wait.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

Symmetry wrote: post #352
CalRobert wrote: post #316

A city has 100 homes. Local homeowners vote against any new construction to preserve taxpayer-funded parking welfare (aka neighborhood character) This means that house prices are a race to the top so to speak. You're always competing with your neighbors. The first thing you do is have both of them work (this happened ~4 decades ago). Even if you don't want to, you have to, because your neighbors are doing it and they…

I don't doubt that increasing their own home values is part of it, but here in the North East where I live when I hear co-workers making the case for restricting housing development they're concerned about one of two things. Either that if their town was more affordable the wrong sort of person would move in, they'd go to school with their kids, and either harm their kids or teach them bad habits. Or that more people…

Do you then remind them that they might need to check their biases?

After all, kids learn all sorts of dubious things from "innocent" Places and well-off kids use things like drugs at a similar rate. They are simply less likely to get caught because they have unsupervised large back yards and things like that.

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Post by jdlyga »

I live in Manhattan, and I can't imagine having a kid here. There's barely enough space for my wife and I. Plus the waiting lists, zoning drama, and crazy daycare situations. Plus the whole place is so dirty. A lot of people do it and are perfectly happy with it and it gives the kid more freedom, but I'm definitely moving to the suburbs before starting a family.

Re: America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births

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Post by whenanother »

Symmetry wrote: post #352
CalRobert wrote: post #316

A city has 100 homes. Local homeowners vote against any new construction to preserve taxpayer-funded parking welfare (aka neighborhood character) This means that house prices are a race to the top so to speak. You're always competing with your neighbors. The first thing you do is have both of them work (this happened ~4 decades ago). Even if you don't want to, you have to, because your neighbors are doing it and they…

I don't doubt that increasing their own home values is part of it, but here in the North East where I live when I hear co-workers making the case for restricting housing development they're concerned about one of two things. Either that if their town was more affordable the wrong sort of person would move in, they'd go to school with their kids, and either harm their kids or teach them bad habits. Or that more people…

kind of on the right track. the reality is the ratio of minorities is directly correlated to how hard the incumbents try to keep them out. people are desperately trying to keep them from taking over the cities. at the same time making them take all the tax and social burdens. these minorities could spread out but probably the best thing for them is to target the smaller cities. take them over and finally change their antiminority policies.

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Post by [deleted] »

nostrademons wrote: post #255
eitally wrote: post #228

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Sure, but good luck easily getting to Golden Gate Park if you're, say, coming from Mission Bay. And if you can afford to live in the hillier parts of town the odds are good you probably have decent (albeit small) neighborhood parks. The problem with SF is that the public schools suck, the streets in a lot of the "urban" parts are rife with squalor, and the city is a lot bigger than it looks when you're trying to get…

Most of SF west of the Mission is actually pretty good for raising kids - Noe, Twin Peaks, Forest Hills, Sunset, Richmond, and Lake Merced are all pretty family-friendly if you can afford them. You're right that they're practically suburbs though. Somebody did a transit-scaled map of SF and it actually takes longer to get from the Outer Sunset to downtown than from Mountain View, 50 miles to the south. One of the big…

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Post by astura »

wcunning wrote: post #220
volkl48 wrote: post #198

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Maybe not a 4 year old, but NYC kids grow up way more independent than in many places in the US. Middle school kids taking public transit by themselves is pretty normal.

It was rare enough that allowing a kid to do that made Lenore Skenazy [0] famous not that long ago... [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenore_Skenazy

Ummm I took the bus by myself at 9, and that was before cell phones.

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Post by peanutgal2600 »

JoeSamoa wrote: post #361
peanutgal2600 wrote: post #300

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People come to San Francisco, and just lie about what they see. They don't really observe anything, they just repeat the myths and paranoid lies that they read on reddit and HN! The city that I know, have supported, run companies, run punk venues, run hacker houses, and taught children to program does not bear any resemblance to the views of recent techie imports.

Dose that city still exist? Would love that experience...

It exists if you want to find it. Hint: It doesn't exist inside of a startup's office space. I've been to 60 countries, and there's nowhere in the world that has SF's diversity of music, art, food, cultures, peoples, points of view, businesses, and climates. The underground warehouse scene is still alive and well, as is the underground/aboveground bdsm/sex scene, the world music scene, hip-hop, bluegrass, techno (ugh).

If you know who to talk to, you can go to an illegal, underground restaurant where guest chefs like Michael Minna cook. The are no less than 5 hacker warehouses focused solely on robotics development. Two of the old goth warehouses are still available. Sure, and there are bars/night clubs, hundreds of music venues. The closeness to natural beauty combined with all of this is almost unfair. 45% of the city is public parkland.

That's just San Francisco, not mentioning the rest of the bay area. If you can't find a niche in the bay, you would be happier living somewhere that you can find a niche. Why be unhappy just for money?

Nowhere in the world is even close. Maybe Berlin, but I'm not a big fan of Germany.

Re: America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births

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Post by braythwayt »

peanutgal2600 wrote: post #363
braythwayt wrote: post #323

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I have lived in Toronto most of my life, and I’ve seen plenty of people with dogs in strollers. But before we climb up on stage like a smug comic and bond with the audience by ridiculing people we don’t understand, let’s ask ourselves this: What do we do if our canine companion has mobility issues? How do we take them shopping with us so that they aren’t left at home, lonely? How do we take them to the park so they c…

So, are you telling me that 50% of all strollers in Toronto have dogs in them? You would be lying as much as the op. People who hate San Franciscio move here to take our money, to complain about us not being boring like Palo Alto or Orange County. They don't contribute anything to our culture, they whine, moan, and think that we owe them something because they make $150k at a lame startup. Whoop de doo. They make us…

> So, are you telling me that 50% of all strollers in Toronto have dogs in them? You would be lying as much as the op.

I'll tell you something else in response:

Starting a response by suggesting that someone is acting in bad faith is not a productive way to engage people in discussion.

You may misunderstand something about the subject. You may misunderstand the person's comment. The comment may have several interpretations, and you may have picked one that differs from the person's intent. The other person may misunderstand something.

There are lots of reasons you may feel a comment misrepresents your perception of reality, and going right into the sewer to suggest malicious deception is a terrible way to participate in a social group.

Have a nice day.

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