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How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Pornhub probably could. They've got the tech, the traffic, the money, the advertising infrastructure, they've got everything they need to launch a youtube competitor because the big tech companies don't really touch porn.

> "the big tech companies don't really touch porn." Isn't that the case because mainstream American advertisers don't want anything to do with it? I don't think it's a matter of west coast tech companies being prudes, but rather tech companies appeasing big consumer goods companies that spend billions on advertising, like P&G, J&J, PepsiCo, etc. And those companies are in turn likely appeasing 'middle america' by try…

> And now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure Amazon sells pornography, so that's one of the big tech companies at least that is willing to.

Amazon also runs an entirely separate and special cloud staffed only by US citizens to assist the military in running software that decides who to detain, torture, and possibly murder, so it is unsurprising that they have no corresponding aversion to media depicting less violent interactions.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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> "the big tech companies don't really touch porn." Isn't that the case because mainstream American advertisers don't want anything to do with it? I don't think it's a matter of west coast tech companies being prudes, but rather tech companies appeasing big consumer goods companies that spend billions on advertising, like P&G, J&J, PepsiCo, etc. And those companies are in turn likely appeasing 'middle america' by try…

Anyone else find it mildly strange how such a huge portion of the economy functions solely on the production and consumption of terrible products such as soda?

Pop isn’t a terrible product. The issue, like anything, is overuse.

You can make the same argument for anything, from butter to guns to video games to literally anything that plugs into the wall and consumes electricity.

Use anything beyond reason and it becomes destructive.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Without revealing details -- I worked for this company at this time. I was privy to certain financial details.

Google did not destroy them. A combination of poor business decisions and possibly corruption did. I watched these decisions unfold in person and I won't provide certain details because I don't want to say anything that might be considered libelous, but this guy is straight-up throwing a pity party for himself. It has nothing to do with reality.

Google was not actually evil back then. Did they offer contracts to content creators? Maybe. No reason Live Universe couldn't have done the same.

There actually was lots of adult content on the Live Universe network of sites. Just -- everywhere. Content moderation was ineffective because so much of the community was driven by porn: Users wouldn't flag adult content because that's what they were there for, so massive amounts of it just piled up. Google had every reason to stop doing business with them.

This guy straight-up admits there was child porn on the site and they were engaged in shady SEO tactics then bitches that Google delisted them.

"I literally [built a YouTube competitor" -- no you didn't, man. You were just an employee for someone who did.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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I don't think that even if Google avoided the tactics they used, you still could not compete with YouTube. Alphabet has as one of its goals cultural "guidance". This is openly advocated by Eric Schmidt in his book 'A New Digital Age.' They ran YouTube at a gigantic ongoing loss for over a decade solely to suppress competition and establish themselves as the only viable video platform. If you can build a billion-dollar infrastructure, and after those bills are paid you can lose hundreds of millions of dollars a year running it, than and only then can you compete with YouTube and face these tactics in addition to all of the legal and political pressure Google can produce. They haven't even needed to break out political pressure (and by that I mean getting government to establish regulations and legislation that YouTube is omitted from by being grandfathered in, not any kind of 'conservative/liberal bias' sort of thing) yet. And so long as Alphabet is profitable, we may never see those tactics as they're simply not needed.

YouTube is a key factor in Alphabet exercising the cultural 'guidance' that Eric Schmidt argues is not only Googles responsibility but moral obligation. For people who agree with Schmidt and disagree with the position that the public should be permitted to decide their own future, good or bad, it will be impossible to gain their support. Make no mistake, that viewpoint is the one that has supported every monarchy, dictatorship, theocracy, and non-democratic social structure throughout history. Political scientists call is Conservatism with a capital C, whereas the view that the public should play a role in their own governance and decide their own fate, for good or ill, is the alternative that drove the American Revolution, French Revolution, and countless blood-soaked revolutions across the globe. It won every single one of those wars. But it, too, lost to Google.

Just consider, if 70+% of the public today believed that interracial marriage was offensive and disgusting, which was true when interracial marriage was legalized by the Supreme Court in the 1960s, Google would deplatform anyone who agreed with the legalization of interracial marriage in order to defend that status quo. They do not seek to provide an open, global platform that can host or play a part in public debate about serious issues. They seek to exercise cultural guidance as Eric Schmidt sees fit. It has been the public which has reliably improved over time and progressed while still containing contingents of nuts and extremists. And it has progressed not despite that, but because of it. No closed and centrally managed society in history has become more progressive except through dreadfully bloody revolutions that destroyed its management.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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This article should say - you can't compete with google using google. The "final blow" was adsense being cutoff. Their revenue model to compete with google was ... adsense. OK. Their traffic model was google search. Ok. Between the lines it sounds like some aggressive SEO, and maybe the network click bounce thing (you click on one video, and then it clicks through to another site etc). Be curious what their content m…

Haven’t used reddit in over a year and hardly visit YouTube. #1 competitor for my time is reading a book. The freedom and clarity I feel now that I’m not plugged in to these types of social networks makes me believe reddit is also “disgusting trash”.

Book publishers let white nationalists, pedophiles, sex offenders, and others publish books. Books don't even have age gated ratings, so parents don't even have any idea what kind of content their children are consuming when they read a book. If you want disgusting trash, pick up 'In Defense of Elitism' sometime. It's the only book I have destroyed after reading several chapters.

When you paint a medium or platform with a broad brush, and chastise them for not censoring it to your liking, you should at least check the alternative you're recommending is at least as censorial.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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I would think the interface/front-end would be the most obvious and important way to catch the attention of visitors when competing against any decent-sized online company; I have never heard of livevideo.com, but at very first glance, I am certain it was never a threat on google/youtube's radar even if you had the best backend system in the world. No offense, but it looks like a 1990s yahoo.com version of youtube, a…

Not sure which 2006-2008 you lived through, but this was pretty standard web design back then. YouTube from 2007: https://www.webdesignmuseum.org/timeline/youtube-2007

Had the company been allowed to exist and compete fairly, it would have evolved into something more modern and mobile friendly. Judging a startup from before the pre-mobile era, and blaming the design for its failure is kind of silly.

This was the norm back then, if I were creating a video sharing website in 2019 of course I'd approach it differently, but alas there's no point in even trying.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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you didn't try to compete against Youtube and Google, you had an early vision of Periscope and House Party. Do you still have access to MySpace guys?

Not really.

I could maybe track down Toan, I still check in with his brother occasionally. But Brad is in the wind, tried to track him down but it seems he doesn't want to be found.

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