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FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces and Names

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jbverschoor wrote: post #188
jklinger410 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>except that FaceApp is a Russian company? Well, I mean, nothing. Except that FaceApp is a Russian company. What was different about Huawei? Except that it was a Chinese company. And here's the thing, I don't even necessarily disagree with the worry around these foreign companies. They are outside of our jurisdiction and these countries have been known to use companies on the behalf of their governments to perform in…

The Cold War never ended

The cold war went private.

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Post by etbebl »

mikeash wrote: post #107
hanniabu wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There should be a rule that if a ToS is longer than 200 words then it requires a bullet point summary list at the top.

The trouble is, what happens when the summary is inaccurate or incomplete? If the summary takes precedence in that case, then the full ToS is meaningless and can be omitted, so you could simplify this to a rule requiring ToSs to be under 200 words. If the ToS takes precedence then the summary is meaningless.

Instead of summarizing the terms, it could be like nutrition facts warnings. Cross certain lines in the actual terms and you're required to put "See full terms for what your personal data can be used for" or something. If the terms cross lines without putting the warnings, they can't be enforced.

It would have to be not overly restrictive limits, or you'd end up with a prop-65-like scenario.

Or hell, just make a standardized "Privacy Facts" panel.

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Post by lone_haxx0r »

jklinger410 wrote: post #129
stunt wrote: post #16

The coverage on FaceApp and the way they talk about it is ridiculous. When it comes for instance to Snapchat's numbers, the coverage is about the success of the company. How is FaceApp different than all other apps and social networks that are storing all your photos with location and tags to your friends except that FaceApp is a Russian company? I'm not defending FaceApp. I don't use social networks either for the s…

>except that FaceApp is a Russian company? Well, I mean, nothing. Except that FaceApp is a Russian company. What was different about Huawei? Except that it was a Chinese company. And here's the thing, I don't even necessarily disagree with the worry around these foreign companies. They are outside of our jurisdiction and these countries have been known to use companies on the behalf of their governments to perform in…

> This is the exact decision that was made and accelerated by our military during wartime. This is our playbook.

I think journalists publish these articles not because they're (consciously) following the playbook, but because it's what sells.

Maybe people want to read stories about Russian "enemies" more than they want to see stories about American "enemies".

Or maybe journalists have the best intentions and they know the privacy battle is lost against Facebook, Instagram, Amazon. but it's not yet lost against the Russians etc.

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Post by lone_haxx0r »

mikeash wrote: post #20

We keep harping on about privacy, and then shit like this happens. There are two possible conclusions to draw. One is that the general public actually doesn’t care about privacy at all. It’s a niche concern. The other is that the general public cares but is completely and utterly clueless about how to defend themselves, to the point that an app can literally say “give us your name and face and we can do whatever we w…

I care about privacy, but the state already knows my face, my fingerprint, etc. A private institution is, by definition, less hostile than the state of my country, so it's kind of pointless to try to hide my face.

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Post by jammygit »

stunt wrote: post #16

The coverage on FaceApp and the way they talk about it is ridiculous. When it comes for instance to Snapchat's numbers, the coverage is about the success of the company. How is FaceApp different than all other apps and social networks that are storing all your photos with location and tags to your friends except that FaceApp is a Russian company? I'm not defending FaceApp. I don't use social networks either for the s…

I’m imagining a wave of fake accounts using people’s names and faces happening, maybe even fraudulent blog posts come next election with legal indemnity. They own the name and face after all, no? Same as putting you in a billboard

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Post by Aeolun »

Zmetta wrote: post #34
stunt wrote: post #16

The coverage on FaceApp and the way they talk about it is ridiculous. When it comes for instance to Snapchat's numbers, the coverage is about the success of the company. How is FaceApp different than all other apps and social networks that are storing all your photos with location and tags to your friends except that FaceApp is a Russian company? I'm not defending FaceApp. I don't use social networks either for the s…

One is owned and operated in a country of authoritarian-level data-collection and massive public propaganda and the other is owned and operated by a company in Russian which isn't any better but still determines the media narrative.

Heh, I was kind of expecting that. But it was still amusing to read.

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Post by scarface74 »

acchow wrote: post #184
stunt wrote: post #16

The coverage on FaceApp and the way they talk about it is ridiculous. When it comes for instance to Snapchat's numbers, the coverage is about the success of the company. How is FaceApp different than all other apps and social networks that are storing all your photos with location and tags to your friends except that FaceApp is a Russian company? I'm not defending FaceApp. I don't use social networks either for the s…

The issue is with the terms: “You grant FaceApp a perpetual, irrevocable, nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide, fully-paid, transferable sub-licensable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, publicly perform and display your User Content and any name, username or likeness provided in connection with your User Content in all media formats and channels n…

I denied FaceApp access to my photo library and all apps are denied access to “Background refresh”. I didn’t post pictures directly to any social media. So exactly what does FaceApp have access to besides a few selfies? I was more interested in seeing how good the machine learning was than anything else. It was pretty good, it recognized different angles, it didn’t try to put glasses on my face when I was already wearing glasses and didn’t try to add a beard when it saw I had one.

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Post by scarface74 »

imgabe wrote: post #41

Is "what your face looks like" private information? You publicly display your face everywhere you go all the time. It's not really practical to hide it. Likewise your name you pretty much freely give out to anyone who asks. Is that private information? So Faceapp knows "There's a person with this name who looks like this". Was that supposed to be a secret? I'm concerned about privacy too, but it seems like some peopl…

FaceApp doesn’t know your name. How would it?

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Post by scarface74 »

penagwin wrote: post #7
alunchbox wrote: post #5

Hmm. Would it be possible to run these Apps in a VM like container? allow it access a dummy, empty folder to read from somewhat of a container for all apps? then there would be a manual transfer process between the shared folders after you've saved an image? So when downloading an App it will ask would you want to run this in an isolated environment? and you can, so if it tries to scan over your photo gallery it will…

This is a scoping issue. On iOS devices at least no app has access to your photo gallery unless they explicitly prompt you for permission. That said, many apps need access to the photo gallery - say I want to put a screenshot into discord. The issue is that now Discord has access to ALL of my photos. There needs to be more scoping options. "Allow access to previous 12 photos while you're using the app" kinda deal.

There are a number of ways around that.

- Discord can have a share sheet extension that is accessible from the popup that appears when you take a screenshot.

- You can copy and paste the image.

- the app can bring up a photo picker.

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