FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces and Names • Hacker News Board

Re: FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces and Names

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Post by godelski » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 7:40 PM UTC

icoder wrote: post #116

stunt wrote: post #16

The coverage on FaceApp and the way they talk about it is ridiculous. When it comes for instance to Snapchat's numbers, the coverage is about the success of the company. How is FaceApp different than all other apps and social networks that are storing all your photos with location and tags to your friends except that FaceApp is a Russian company? I'm not defending FaceApp. I don't use social networks either for the s…

Two wrongs don't make a right. Your point may be valid that Snapchat deserves the same or even more criticism, but then perhaps the fact that they don't is the real problem.

More importantly we have legislation and public support that has been pushing companies like Snapchat to change. Such as they say they delete photos now. As an American I think I have some influence in Europe, but at minimum I think Europe has similar values to me. With their democratic processes I believe things can change and will, same with America. Look how GDPR changed things.

Conversely in Russia and China they are authoritarian and the cultures don't tend to speak out as much about these things. Hence where they are at. FaceApp might just use my data for advertising, but I don't know that. It's harder to find out post hoc. There is no legal means for me to ensure things are done properly. There is no way for me to push for data to be used in better ways. There is no accountability.

And that's the big difference. Accountability.

Re: FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces and Names

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Post by dstroot » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 7:57 PM UTC

dillonmckay wrote: post #189

jklinger410 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>except that FaceApp is a Russian company? Well, I mean, nothing. Except that FaceApp is a Russian company. What was different about Huawei? Except that it was a Chinese company. And here's the thing, I don't even necessarily disagree with the worry around these foreign companies. They are outside of our jurisdiction and these countries have been known to use companies on the behalf of their governments to perform in…

Yet, no outrage at the possibility of the state of Florida and other states selling much more personally identifiable information without restriction.

Link?

Re: FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces and Names

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Post by spraak » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 7:59 PM UTC

kofejnik wrote: post #206

spraak wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it a non sense statement, and why does it matter that they are Russian, when US companies are already known to do the same?

it's 13 August 1961, you are in Berlin, and they are starting to build the wall. Where would you rather be, in the West, or in the East? This is why it matters that they are Russian

But it's not 1961 anymore. The East and the West have very closely converged in terms of privacy violations.

Re: FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces and Names

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Post by monocasa » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 8:00 PM UTC

kofejnik wrote: post #201

blaser-waffle wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia is a hyper regressive, anti liberal, anti democratic, low human rights, dictatorship. My interests are particularly not served by allowing companies from Russia to spy on me. Russia is also on the other side of the globe, has a GDP that is less than Italy (despite having way more people and land), and is, essentially, irrelevant outside of online trolling and Agi-Prop. Meanwhile the person who is going to ki…

if Russia is so irrelevant, what's with all this hysteria about Trump colluding with Russians?

Because if the centrists in the Democratic party divert to Russian collusion, they don't have to take the long hard look in the mirror wrt to why they lost in 2016.

Re: FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces and Names

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Post by privong » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 8:03 PM UTC

dstroot wrote: post #212

dillonmckay wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet, no outrage at the possibility of the state of Florida and other states selling much more personally identifiable information without restriction.

Link?

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local-news/i-team-investi...

And HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20438289

Re: FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces and Names

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Post by ivanhoe » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 8:11 PM UTC

anomaloustho wrote: post #160

stunt wrote: post #16

The coverage on FaceApp and the way they talk about it is ridiculous. When it comes for instance to Snapchat's numbers, the coverage is about the success of the company. How is FaceApp different than all other apps and social networks that are storing all your photos with location and tags to your friends except that FaceApp is a Russian company? I'm not defending FaceApp. I don't use social networks either for the s…

Coming from a person that did not take issue with the “Russia aspect” - The only part that sticks out to me is when the article implied you have to give it access to all of your photos. In my brief usage of other social media apps like Snapchat, Instagram, and Facebook. Each photo you decide to share is opt-in. The article also mentioned they run a job to continuously check in. Not sure if that’s to capture current G…

also, you don't have to give it access to your photos... it works perfectly fine with just camera access

Re: FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces and Names

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Post by ivanhoe » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 8:15 PM UTC

acchow wrote: post #184

stunt wrote: post #16

The coverage on FaceApp and the way they talk about it is ridiculous. When it comes for instance to Snapchat's numbers, the coverage is about the success of the company. How is FaceApp different than all other apps and social networks that are storing all your photos with location and tags to your friends except that FaceApp is a Russian company? I'm not defending FaceApp. I don't use social networks either for the s…

The issue is with the terms: “You grant FaceApp a perpetual, irrevocable, nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide, fully-paid, transferable sub-licensable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, publicly perform and display your User Content and any name, username or likeness provided in connection with your User Content in all media formats and channels n…

But they are, Facebook has exactly the same rights to use any photo you upload royalty free or to share it with the 3rd parties as they find suitable... perhaps the legal wording is a bit different, but the rights are the same...

Re: FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces and Names

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Post by kickopotomus » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 8:21 PM UTC

acchow wrote: post #184

stunt wrote: post #16

The coverage on FaceApp and the way they talk about it is ridiculous. When it comes for instance to Snapchat's numbers, the coverage is about the success of the company. How is FaceApp different than all other apps and social networks that are storing all your photos with location and tags to your friends except that FaceApp is a Russian company? I'm not defending FaceApp. I don't use social networks either for the s…

The issue is with the terms: “You grant FaceApp a perpetual, irrevocable, nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide, fully-paid, transferable sub-licensable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, publicly perform and display your User Content and any name, username or likeness provided in connection with your User Content in all media formats and channels n…

Instagram's terms of use have essentially the same clause:

> We do not claim ownership of your content that you post on or through the Service. Instead, when you share, post, or upload content that is covered by intellectual property rights (like photos or videos) on or in connection with our Service, you hereby grant to us a non-exclusive, royalty-free, transferable, sub-licensable, worldwide license to host, use, distribute, modify, run, copy, publicly perform or display, translate, and create derivative works of your content (consistent with your privacy and application settings).[1]

[1]: https://help.instagram.com/581066165581870

Re: FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces and Names

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Post by clairity » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 8:49 PM UTC

jklinger410 wrote: post #129

stunt wrote: post #16

The coverage on FaceApp and the way they talk about it is ridiculous. When it comes for instance to Snapchat's numbers, the coverage is about the success of the company. How is FaceApp different than all other apps and social networks that are storing all your photos with location and tags to your friends except that FaceApp is a Russian company? I'm not defending FaceApp. I don't use social networks either for the s…

>except that FaceApp is a Russian company? Well, I mean, nothing. Except that FaceApp is a Russian company. What was different about Huawei? Except that it was a Chinese company. And here's the thing, I don't even necessarily disagree with the worry around these foreign companies. They are outside of our jurisdiction and these countries have been known to use companies on the behalf of their governments to perform in…

> "But it's like nuclear weapons, yeah? We are the only ones who can be trusted with them."

i assume this is part of the tongue-in-cheek, as ours is the only country to use nuclear bombs in war, so history is against trusting "our side" (generally don't like dichotomizing, but doing so here for expediency). with that said, our political institutions have so far been resiliant enough to resist the "mad man with red button" scenario, even with some poor choices of chief executives.

in any case, i generally agree that none of these companies really deserves our trust, regardless of political or geographic affiliation. like tv/internet providers or mobile telecom, vigilance is warranted as they should be considered hostile actors (in that they don't share your interests, not literally violence).

Re: FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces and Names

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Post by sysashi » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 8:55 PM UTC

If you're comfortable posting pictures to instagram, twitter and other social means you have nothing to worry about :)

On the other hand, personally I'm freaking out whenever my phone tries to upload photos to "cloud" without even asking or just a small prompt (which can be easily misclicked). So apps like that are out of the question!