How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

The words "I should be a millionaire" sure appears a lot. The subject suggests there's a different title, but it really seems like the real subject is how this person isn't a millionaire.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by yongjik » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 7:26 PM UTC

> At one point, I believe it was over 74 million and after a Google search change, that number went down to less than 12 million overnight, so all the backlinks, all the websites that were linking to my site, that boosted my rank, that gave my site a good search cloud. This was all organic. I did not use tricks or anything deceptive. This was all organic traffic. These were all organic backlinks and all of a sudden Google just decided I’m turning it off and they did. So guess what happened? My search traffic completely plummeted.

> I would get called on a regular basis from Google ad execs begging me to put Google ads on my website.

> Like you basically have to give them their cut, otherwise they’re not gonna let you play and they’re going to screw with your search traffic.

Yeah, no, it doesn't work like that. Google search ranking is not perfect, but they have taken search/ad separation very, very, very seriously. You can't even ask questions like "The google ad customer I'm talking to disappeared from search results, did you guys do anything overnight?" It's a big no-no.

It sounds more like a sadly misinformed rant. 90% of startups fail - failure is a natural result. You don't need to bring up a Google conspiracy to explain it.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by tptacek » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 7:27 PM UTC

From what I can tell, this is the story of a 2006-2008 Youtube also-ran that was outbid by Google for celebrity content, had copyright and inappropriate content problems, kept an adult content section on their website, and depended on AdSense for their revenue.

I don't see where the concept of "deplatforming" fits into the narrative provided.

You can check their old site out on Archive.org (the pages all seem to have "Family Filter" set, despite the fact that the tag clouds and "Most Popular Videos" callouts seem to have adult content in them).

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by jpeg_hero » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 7:27 PM UTC

AndrewWarner wrote: post #3

Is there a link to the audio download somewhere? I can’t see it, but Id like to listen to this instead of reading it

https://overcast.fm/+SJPJ9ok9U

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by mooman219 » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 7:27 PM UTC

> It wasn’t it wasn’t anything nefarious.

> you know, adult content and there’s child porn on some of your properties and whatever

> [getting] sued by the major, by the major record companies for [hosting lyrics]

> Today we get sued by the record companies

I'm not well read on the situation, but it sounds like they had serious moderation problems. It looks like they had adult content on their popular video's page occasionally even with a filter enabled. If they were being de-listed from DMCA and legal complaints, that's on them. A lot of the regulation and laws in this space give a lot of power to copyright holders, and YouTube likely has agreements that give them some leniency that other companies just can't get. I feel like that's less of a Tech Giant problem and more of a massive legal barrier to entry problem.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by microdrum » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 7:28 PM UTC

yongjik wrote: post #5

> At one point, I believe it was over 74 million and after a Google search change, that number went down to less than 12 million overnight, so all the backlinks, all the websites that were linking to my site, that boosted my rank, that gave my site a good search cloud. This was all organic. I did not use tricks or anything deceptive. This was all organic traffic. These were all organic backlinks and all of a sudden G…

It’s not a big no-no. There is no Chinese wall. I’ve had AdX reps forward me messages from search quality. It’s all a lie. They want their cut. They’re trying to own the internet. They will be broken up.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by dang » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 7:29 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #6

From what I can tell, this is the story of a 2006-2008 Youtube also-ran that was outbid by Google for celebrity content, had copyright and inappropriate content problems, kept an adult content section on their website, and depended on AdSense for their revenue. I don't see where the concept of "deplatforming" fits into the narrative provided. You can check their old site out on Archive.org (the pages all seem to have…

Ok, we've changed the title to a more neutral sentence from the article body.