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FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces and Names

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>How is FaceApp different than all other apps and social networks that are storing all your photos with location and tags to your friends except that FaceApp is a Russian company? This is a pretty nonsense statement to make. Maybe the fact they are Russian.

Why is it a non sense statement, and why does it matter that they are Russian, when US companies are already known to do the same?

Russia is uniquely evil.

Clapper told me it's in their DNA.

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Side point, I also don’t use social media app but at this point it doesn’t matter. 3 of my friends sent me my faceapp photo. No way to escape this.

If you wanted to escape it you could use something like This Person Does Not Exist and submit large numbers of fake people with your name to the app such that nobody would be able to tell which was the real you. Of course, to do it well, you'd probably want to start doing it before anybody submitted your real photo, then just submit a fake picture at random intervals for perpetuity. An alternate variation on this is…

generally, they're also going to have your connection/friend data as well. You might submit 300 "ALittleLight" name/face combos, but only one ALittleLight will be connected to a similar group of people you know who know each other to some degree.

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The coverage on FaceApp and the way they talk about it is ridiculous. When it comes for instance to Snapchat's numbers, the coverage is about the success of the company. How is FaceApp different than all other apps and social networks that are storing all your photos with location and tags to your friends except that FaceApp is a Russian company? I'm not defending FaceApp. I don't use social networks either for the s…

>except that FaceApp is a Russian company? Well, I mean, nothing. Except that FaceApp is a Russian company. What was different about Huawei? Except that it was a Chinese company. And here's the thing, I don't even necessarily disagree with the worry around these foreign companies. They are outside of our jurisdiction and these countries have been known to use companies on the behalf of their governments to perform in…

> Why is this different than the US? It's not. But it's like nuclear weapons, yeah? We are the only ones who can be trusted with them. Therein lies the rub, as they say.

Yeah, well, no, stop. Facebook and social networks are regularly taking punches in the face and the US never prevented vkontact, mastodon or other clone to develop. There isn't a moratorium on social networks and public agreement to "limit the scope of our arsenal".

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>except that FaceApp is a Russian company? Well, I mean, nothing. Except that FaceApp is a Russian company. What was different about Huawei? Except that it was a Chinese company. And here's the thing, I don't even necessarily disagree with the worry around these foreign companies. They are outside of our jurisdiction and these countries have been known to use companies on the behalf of their governments to perform in…

The Cold War never ended

Yes, it did.

What's happening now is going on under a different set of paradigms. If you approach today's geopolitics or military considerations with a cold war mindset you will miss things out. Globalization has happened and that changes a lot of things.

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The Cold War never ended

Yes, it did. What's happening now is going on under a different set of paradigms. If you approach today's geopolitics or military considerations with a cold war mindset you will miss things out. Globalization has happened and that changes a lot of things.

"Globalization has happened and that changes a lot of things."

This is exactly what they said before WWI.

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The coverage on FaceApp and the way they talk about it is ridiculous. When it comes for instance to Snapchat's numbers, the coverage is about the success of the company. How is FaceApp different than all other apps and social networks that are storing all your photos with location and tags to your friends except that FaceApp is a Russian company? I'm not defending FaceApp. I don't use social networks either for the s…

The issue is with the terms: “You grant FaceApp a perpetual, irrevocable, nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide, fully-paid, transferable sub-licensable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, publicly perform and display your User Content and any name, username or likeness provided in connection with your User Content in all media formats and channels n…

> Social media networks like Facebook and Snapchat aren't like this.

Correct. They're not that terse with their terms. You'd have to read so. many. paragraphs. to figure out they're doing the same thing.

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>except that FaceApp is a Russian company? Well, I mean, nothing. Except that FaceApp is a Russian company. What was different about Huawei? Except that it was a Chinese company. And here's the thing, I don't even necessarily disagree with the worry around these foreign companies. They are outside of our jurisdiction and these countries have been known to use companies on the behalf of their governments to perform in…

> Why is this different than the US? It's not. But it's like nuclear weapons, yeah? We are the only ones who can be trusted with them. Therein lies the rub, as they say. Yeah, well, no, stop. Facebook and social networks are regularly taking punches in the face and the US never prevented vkontact, mastodon or other clone to develop. There isn't a moratorium on social networks and public agreement to "limit the scope…

My only point is that we are not perfect. Can I point to the number of private/government partnerships that cross ethical lines?

Mercenary groups (ie blackwater), Palantir, for-profit prisons, Tech companies complying with federal warrants, so-on. I will give you that it's not 1:1, and I think that's a fair counterpoint to people who don't trust the US.

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Turns out that as long as the all powerful companies spying on you are located in California then it's totally fine.

Then why have US tech companies like Facebook taken so much flack in the past year for privacy issues? The fact that that has been the case, contradicts your underlying point. Further, on a personal level it likely depends on where you're located. As an American, it matters to me whether the company doing the spying is located in California or Russia. If you're Russian, you might particularly care if the company in q…

> Russia is a hyper regressive, anti liberal, anti democratic, low human rights, dictatorship. My interests are particularly not served by allowing companies from Russia to spy on me.

Russia is also on the other side of the globe, has a GDP that is less than Italy (despite having way more people and land), and is, essentially, irrelevant outside of online trolling and Agi-Prop.

Meanwhile the person who is going to kick down my door is a US citizen, as is the person who is going to vote to take away my healthcare.

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I think easy to understand end user license agreements should be enforced by law.

A lawyer rewrites Instagrams terms of service to one page easy to read english. http://dontai.com/wp/2017/01/10/a-plain-speak-end-user-agree...

Here is a service that explains common terms of services for web sites. https://tosdr.org/

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I think FaceApp in particular strikes a chord in the United States because it's owned by a Russian Company. Name + faces (and therefore age and gender and race) + Location is the kind of data that enabled a lot of granular facebook ad targeting in 2016.

> I think FaceApp in particular strikes a chord in the United States because it's owned by a Russian Company. So, it's purely Xenophobia then.

Hmm, perhaps - though I feel the distrust progressives in the US feel toward Russia is warranted given their (well investigated) efforts to meddle in US politics, etc. I think xenophobia is more of an /unwarranted/ fear + hatred.

It is unfortunate that this fear extends to private Russian businesses, but it's difficult to discern how separate entities really are in tightly managed countries.

I totally agree this is getting into some cold-war-era territory though... US vs. Huawei has a similar vibe.

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