The Screen and the Job have displaced almost everything else is our lives. Loneliness is just a primary symptom. The Screen, whether it’s TV, computer, or phone, has supplanted almost all social interactions. This manifests itself in things like SitComs on TV (just a bunch of friends or family hanging out) or Social Media on phones. It’s very easy to fill the social needs of right now with a Screen. But under even a…
At least in SF it feels like there is a grey area between work and friend relationships. I don't necessarily think relationships that start at work can't be meaningful, though there's certainly a much greater chance a work relationship is transactional even if you fool yourself into thinking they could be a friend.
The Loneliness Epidemic
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
> People nowadays spend far more time at work than ever. A few generations ago kids worked at 10, there were no weekly limit, no weekends, no vacations, no security, no form of compensation if you get injured/die while working, no pension, no sick leave &c. In first world countries we never worked so little for so much comfort. > By the act of 1892 one day in the week, not necessarily Sunday, had to be given for enti…
I don't think it's particularly helpful to compare the present day to the late 19th century. The fact that things used to be worse does not excuse the fact that things also used to be better; living standards for the average American have regressed in many ways since the 1970s, which should be a cause of urgent concern.
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#163Like all things in life, loneliness is not absolute in origin. Depending on your circumstances, combined with external levers, loneliness is not easy to pinpoint, but there are a few common externalities.
For the blue collar worker you have your typical financial concerns that make you overwork or worry about not having enough work to provide for yourself and or family. Spending time on people is a luxury most people with financial concerns simply cannot afford. If you are lucky you’ll be working too much to be lonely and it’ll only hit you when you have time to catch a breath.
Screen time is certainly a factor but not a cause. It’s a symptom of a sick society with failed systems, infrastructure, architecture, family structures and communities.
Depending where you are in the world, design of your community or should I say the lack of, will play a large role. If it takes a 30 min drive to see a friend be say a 5 minute walk, it becomes easier to remove yourself from face to face interactions.
The constant rise in cost of living puts financial stress on families, which in turn translates to personal stress, health problems, obesity and so on. This fuels a feedback loop that ultimately leaves little to no room for interaction with anyone. The easiest way to medicate that issue is you guessed it, with a screen.
Then you have your constant exposure to media and the team effect of polarization. People are brainwashed by nonstop streaming of irrelevant crap which makes them feel like crap and further remove themselves from society. Add in social media which amplifies all of these effects. The grass is always greener on the other side and this seems especially true through social media lens. Down the depression hole we go which further removes us from interaction.
We make deliberate effort to improve “mobility” and “accessibility” through roads and infrastructure which alienated public transportation projects. If you are lucky to live in a small walkable community, you might stand a chance at running into someone you know to strike up a conversation, but otherwise good luck talking to everyone speeding down a road. Even small rural communities in walkable cities are getting less friendly to foot traffic in certain parts of the world due to vehicle congestion.
Let’s not forget the convenience of online shopping. As awesome as it is, we simply don’t get as much stimulation as we would going outside and seeing people face to face, whether we talk or not is irrelevant.
For kids there are video games. Can’t play? No problem, watch others play. Society norms have changed. In countries like US, depending on where you live, talking to others outside comes across as odd and unwelcoming. We are so concerned about everyone’s need to be left alone that we ignore their silent plea to have anyone take any interest in their life.
Consumer choices have been negatively shaping people to feel more individual. When everything is customized to your liking, it’s hard to think as a group, for the benefit of the collective. This in turn leads to more consumerism, heightened expectations and disappointments when those expectations are not met.
Information has a large role to play in spread of loneliness. Having to choose from thousands of products online vs just getting one or two choices, shapes our expectations. Before, I’d you wanted to buy some nice bed sheets, you’d go to a store and maybe make a day out of it. Go to the mall, eat out, do things with others, relatives, friends. Now you click a button and spend days or hours looking at thousands of search optimized product titles which may or may not have anything to do with what you searched for. All the consumer choices and information like reviews, while seemingly great, just cause more mental fatigue, stress and ultimately contribute to a host of factors, some of which are tied to loneliness.
This is just scratching the surface. My point being, we are brining this onto ourselves in many different shapes and forms.
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#164The Screen and the Job have displaced almost everything else is our lives. Loneliness is just a primary symptom. The Screen, whether it’s TV, computer, or phone, has supplanted almost all social interactions. This manifests itself in things like SitComs on TV (just a bunch of friends or family hanging out) or Social Media on phones. It’s very easy to fill the social needs of right now with a Screen. But under even a…
> The average person has to consider all options in the light of both the current employer and the specter of tomorrow’s. Moving across the country for a high paying job? Great! Moving to be closer to friends? That’s a career killer. The median person lives just 18 miles away from their mom. 57% of Americans have never lived outside their home state. A third have never lived outside their hometown. The more I read ab…
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
You think that today in 2019, we spend more time at "work" than at any other time in history? That's just false. Over the 20th century here, work hours have slashed in half. Henry Ford introduced the 5 day work week in 1926, prior to that it was 6. You think the average farmer in the late 1800's worked 40-50 hours? What about the average coal miner, or factory worker?
The situation in the late 19th century was a historical aberration and workers neither since nor previously worked that many hours. Note also that in that period, Western society was full of day laborers, hobos and other chronically underemployed people. That is how capitalists could force workers into working insane hours at low pay. Because if they didn't want to do it, then there were thousands of others that were…
Doing a load of laundry on a hand washer and scrubbing board takes forever and is pretty brutal. So is getting up super early to put coal in the furnace (and then keeping it going all day every day). Running a stove you have to load with wood means starting really early. Churning butter by hand. Possibly grinding flour by hand. Making everyone's clothes by hand - when the sewing machine came out it made Singer incredibly rich because it saved so many women so many hours sewing their family's clothes by hand.
Nearest extant comparison would probably be Amish women.
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It's also interesting that nowadays when people lose their jobs, it triggers an almost existential crisis in them. It's kind of sad to watch. I wish people could understand that they are more than their job. It's so ingrained in us though. One of the first things people asks each other is, "What do you do?" It encourages a definition of self that is centered on one's job. If it weren't real life, I'd think I was watc…
Modern culture has stripped life of intrinsic meaning. The values promoted by the culture are that we are hedonic production/consumption machines, and that our value comes from either what we are able to produce, or what we are able to consume.
It took a lot of introspection for me to realize that my core essence and sense of self couldn't really be distilled down to much more than what I did for a living and my consumption patterns. It's quite scary and I've been searching for ways to balance myself out and get more meaning out of life.
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I've got to be honest here, it's infuriating to see the extremely basic moral/social principles from the Bible held up on some kind of pedestal like they're a unique or difficult to come by idea. As an atheist I try to be a good person because it is something I innately want to do, not because it was a revelation I had in Bible study. The Bible did not invent "being nice to other people"
You're conflating your viewpoint and choice to be nice to people with atheistic philosophy in general. Imagine the following scenario: alien visitors show up and show the human race that they can cure malaria, cancer, heart disease, and addiction, and that all we have to do in return is sacrifice 100 people worldwide to supply the aliens with subjects for (lethal) medical experimentation to enable this to happen. Ath…
In your hypothetical, the Christians would be just as eager for the benefits as anyone else. Let's not pretend Christians, as a group, are somehow more moral than atheists or anyone else. History does not support that contention.
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#168This may seem somewhat out there, very uninformed or misanthropic, but I've been thinking about basic human needs(emotion,ego,the desire for companionship - both spiritual and otherwise) as vestigial evolutionary artifacts. Evolution and the survival of the human race required collaboration, those who did not died and failed to pass on their genes. In the modern age though, I could argue that close collaboration is n…
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
You think that today in 2019, we spend more time at "work" than at any other time in history? That's just false. Over the 20th century here, work hours have slashed in half. Henry Ford introduced the 5 day work week in 1926, prior to that it was 6. You think the average farmer in the late 1800's worked 40-50 hours? What about the average coal miner, or factory worker?
The situation in the late 19th century was a historical aberration and workers neither since nor previously worked that many hours. Note also that in that period, Western society was full of day laborers, hobos and other chronically underemployed people. That is how capitalists could force workers into working insane hours at low pay. Because if they didn't want to do it, then there were thousands of others that were…
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting. Anecdotally, this checks out. All of my middle/lower-middle class friends from high school have long been married and raising families, almost in all cases raising them with their extended families. Most of my professional tech friends are barely getting started in their late 30s, and everyone who's started had basically put their career into a slower gear first. I made a similar choice a couple of years…
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