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33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by vanderZwan »

_wmd wrote: post #8
Quequau wrote: post #3

The number of casualties is horrific and hard to understand. I'm not a huge fan of anime but I understand that this is a major studio with a long history. So I'm sure that this will have a major impact on the entire industry.

The BBC article mentions many died on the stairs to the roof. Sounds like a locked door could have been involved

Not necessarily - dying in badly ventilated staircases is a very common cause of death during fires in large buildings. During a mandatory fire safety training I was told that often it is better to stay in your room, close the door to the hallway (treat it as a fire barrier) and go to the window where the firefighters can come get you.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by falcolas »

bogwog wrote: post #72
m0llusk wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intellectual property issues once again. People think they own ideas and glorify themselves as originators. In reality once an idea is communicated it is free. All people can really do is add value to an idea by promoting it, framing it, demonstrating it, aiding in its application, and so on. Yet here intellectual property has scaled beyond mere value into critical relevance and even a person's identity itself. An in…

> Intellectual property issues once again. People think they own ideas and glorify themselves as originators. A novel isn't an "idea", it's a work of art. Copyright law protects artists from having their work copied. You don't need to "glorify yourself" to believe that you should have that basic right. Going on a killing spree because someone stole your idea is obviously insane, but I can understand the frustration.…

Based on my own reading of light and web novels, the amount of originality in a lot of them is less than you might imagine. It's not too hard to look at the landscape and read a novel that is virtually identical to another, only with slightly different names.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

s9w wrote: post #79

Three people in here immediately blamed this on mental illness/mental health. That feels like such a strange reaction and oversimplification to this. If what I read is true: The work of the person who did this did get his work stolen and maybe as a consequence missed out on a lot of money. Then doing something like this might be quite an overreaction, but is at least in the realm of understandable, no? Revenge is in…

It's not actually; whatever financial damage the perpetrator suffered is trivial compared to the loss of human life.

I mean he could've sued them instead. Or publically call them out on it. Instead he went for the nuclear option and went on a killing spree. This is morally abject and I can't believe you're even suggesting it might be a fair action.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by robrtsql »

donatj wrote: post #29
userbinator wrote: post #16

At all the places I've worked at, a stranger would not have made it far past the front entrance without being stopped by security, or even been able to enter the building at all (access cards, etc.) Maybe it's a cultural difference, or does the tech industry just have a much higher concern for securing offices?

I’m curious where you live? I live in Minneapolis and basically all the places I’ve worked, as well as visiting friends working a stranger could walk directly into the building. Especially multi-business centers. At one of the places they might have been asked if they needed help, but they wouldn’t be stopped, the receptionist would have just assumed they knew where they were going. I mean certainly major business li…

Really? I've worked and seen a few places in Minneapolis and they all had pretty decent security.

Granted, only the 'office' areas were secured--every building, which was shared by multiple offices--had a common area which was not secured at all.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

_wmd wrote: post #8
Quequau wrote: post #3

The number of casualties is horrific and hard to understand. I'm not a huge fan of anime but I understand that this is a major studio with a long history. So I'm sure that this will have a major impact on the entire industry.

The BBC article mentions many died on the stairs to the roof. Sounds like a locked door could have been involved

What I heard / read is that the perpetrator blocked the emergency exits.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by izzydata »

s9w wrote: post #79

Three people in here immediately blamed this on mental illness/mental health. That feels like such a strange reaction and oversimplification to this. If what I read is true: The work of the person who did this did get his work stolen and maybe as a consequence missed out on a lot of money. Then doing something like this might be quite an overreaction, but is at least in the realm of understandable, no? Revenge is in…

It is a bit difficult to comprehend this kind of behavior without believing they are also mentally unstable. I expect most people regardless of how much they have been wronged wouldn't turn to killing dozens of innocent people.

The attacker possibly believed they weren't innocent which to me makes it seem like he was mentally unstable. There is some disconnect between what he believes and reality.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

Razengan wrote: post #76
aaron695 wrote: post #10

This wasn't arson, it was an attack. Some news reports the fuel was used on people. Sounds so far like mental illness, so perhaps 'attack' Seems probably 30 dead.

Is "arson" generally not considered a targeted attack?

I can imagine not, that is, if you set fire to a car it's arson, if you set fire to a car with someone in it it's attempted murder.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by s9w »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #83
s9w wrote: post #79

Three people in here immediately blamed this on mental illness/mental health. That feels like such a strange reaction and oversimplification to this. If what I read is true: The work of the person who did this did get his work stolen and maybe as a consequence missed out on a lot of money. Then doing something like this might be quite an overreaction, but is at least in the realm of understandable, no? Revenge is in…

It's not actually; whatever financial damage the perpetrator suffered is trivial compared to the loss of human life. I mean he could've sued them instead. Or publically call them out on it. Instead he went for the nuclear option and went on a killing spree. This is morally abject and I can't believe you're even suggesting it might be a fair action.

I literally called it an overreaction. But there is a very strong motivation for this. It's not like it came out of nowhere - which calling him mentally ill somewhat suggests. Who knows how big the financial damage was - maybe he lost his marriage or whatever.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by [deleted] »

goldenkey wrote: post #48
maeln wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putting so little value in other people life is a mental illness. Its not a question of perception. Considering your intellectual / material property over someone life is being a sociopath.

It totally is a question of perception and philosophy. Death is literally a part of life. We all die. The value of life is what you make of it. The fact that this arsonist got roasted himself shows his perspective on the idea of "precious bodies" in general. He was wronged, palgiarized, steamrolled by an idomitable corporation and had no recourse. Je expressed in through corporeal action. You may disagree with the mo…

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Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by lunchables »

s9w wrote: post #79

Three people in here immediately blamed this on mental illness/mental health. That feels like such a strange reaction and oversimplification to this. If what I read is true: The work of the person who did this did get his work stolen and maybe as a consequence missed out on a lot of money. Then doing something like this might be quite an overreaction, but is at least in the realm of understandable, no? Revenge is in…

>might be quite an overreaction, but is at least in the realm of understandable, no?

You think it is "understandable" to burn down a building because someone stole your work? If someone did that I would call them "crazy". I definitely see "mental stability" or "mental health" being a root cause here. Rational, healthy people do not respond in that way. Call it "temporary insanity" if you want.

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