33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured • Hacker News Board

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by m0llusk » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 12:35 PM UTC

devilmoon wrote: post #28

Apparently the motivation for the attack was that "KyoAni has stolen something from the attacker", unconfirmed reports that the something in question was a Light Novel the attacker wrote but got rejected by KyoAni, which apparently then got turned into an original work by the studio (possibly stealing here and there from the LN or anyhow drawing inspiration from it) without crediting the attacker or compensating him.…

Intellectual property issues once again. People think they own ideas and glorify themselves as originators. In reality once an idea is communicated it is free. All people can really do is add value to an idea by promoting it, framing it, demonstrating it, aiding in its application, and so on. Yet here intellectual property has scaled beyond mere value into critical relevance and even a person's identity itself. An individual went way out of bounds here, but some unworkable ideas about intellectual property helped to define the path. Modern cultures really need to come to terms with the nature of intellectual property in the Internet era. It's not just about protecting a mouse anymore.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by goldenkey » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 12:37 PM UTC

mabbo wrote: post #34

devilmoon wrote: post #28

Apparently the motivation for the attack was that "KyoAni has stolen something from the attacker", unconfirmed reports that the something in question was a Light Novel the attacker wrote but got rejected by KyoAni, which apparently then got turned into an original work by the studio (possibly stealing here and there from the LN or anyhow drawing inspiration from it) without crediting the attacker or compensating him.…

That's half of it (if true). The other half is a mentally ill person.

Explain to my why you value life over principles in a universe that neither designates value to either? Having a different world view does not make a person mentally ill. Willing to die for principles means strong feelings, no more, no less.

You may find what he did heinous but violent behavior is not necessarily indicative of mental illness. It just tends to be a combination of 3 things:

1) value of self biology/life

2) value of others biology/life

3) strength of belief that ideology and impact of events supercedes 1 and 2

It is convenient to claim every violent person is mentally ill when the reality is moreso the 3 aforementioned precepts, and a short-temper/hot handle.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by fiblye » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 12:38 PM UTC

aikinai wrote: post #31

fiblye wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japanese buildings also are massively lacking in emergency exits. Almost no building would pass US safety codes or even come close to it.

Where did you come up with this? Japan has incredibly strict safety regulations and building codes.

The place I work at is about the same size as this office and only has one exit (and that's the main door). Many of the facilities I visit for work are similarly lacking.

Maybe the US really goes over the top, but there are plenty of places where I'd feel pretty screwed if some sort of disaster occurred.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by gitrebase » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 12:40 PM UTC

fiblye wrote: post #21

_wmd wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BBC article mentions many died on the stairs to the roof. Sounds like a locked door could have been involved

Japanese buildings also are massively lacking in emergency exits. Almost no building would pass US safety codes or even come close to it.

> Japanese buildings also are massively lacking in emergency exits.

This does not sound right. On the contrary, I have always seen emergency exits in Japanese buildings.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by buttcoinslol » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 12:41 PM UTC

donatj wrote: post #29

userbinator wrote: post #16

At all the places I've worked at, a stranger would not have made it far past the front entrance without being stopped by security, or even been able to enter the building at all (access cards, etc.) Maybe it's a cultural difference, or does the tech industry just have a much higher concern for securing offices?

I’m curious where you live? I live in Minneapolis and basically all the places I’ve worked, as well as visiting friends working a stranger could walk directly into the building. Especially multi-business centers. At one of the places they might have been asked if they needed help, but they wouldn’t be stopped, the receptionist would have just assumed they knew where they were going. I mean certainly major business li…

It depends. Capella Tower has card reader access at the elevators, along with some other buildings. Many tenant spaces have card reader access as well, typically ones with health/financial records.

Note: I work for an electrical contractor and run work in Class A office space in DT Mpls

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by maeln » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 12:42 PM UTC

goldenkey wrote: post #42

mabbo wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's half of it (if true). The other half is a mentally ill person.

Explain to my why you value life over principles in a universe that neither designates value to either? Having a different world view does not make a person mentally ill. Willing to die for principles means strong feelings, no more, no less. You may find what he did heinous but violent behavior is not necessarily indicative of mental illness. It just tends to be a combination of 3 things: 1) value of self biology/lif…

Putting so little value in other people life is a mental illness. Its not a question of perception.

Considering your intellectual / material property over someone life is being a sociopath.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by ianstallings » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 12:43 PM UTC

goldenkey wrote: post #42

mabbo wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's half of it (if true). The other half is a mentally ill person.

Explain to my why you value life over principles in a universe that neither designates value to either? Having a different world view does not make a person mentally ill. Willing to die for principles means strong feelings, no more, no less. You may find what he did heinous but violent behavior is not necessarily indicative of mental illness. It just tends to be a combination of 3 things: 1) value of self biology/lif…

> Explain to my why you value life over principles in a universe that neither designates value to either

That's quite the post-modernist psychopathic take on this, brushing away the value of life and claiming killing others is merely a "different world view".

Edit: I'm getting down voted for calling out the OP? Never more have I realized I do not belong here. Have a good one guys, I've had enough. Right and wrong are real. Good and evil are real. I don't feel comfortable in the company of people that disagree.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by goldenkey » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 12:48 PM UTC

maeln wrote: post #46

goldenkey wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explain to my why you value life over principles in a universe that neither designates value to either? Having a different world view does not make a person mentally ill. Willing to die for principles means strong feelings, no more, no less. You may find what he did heinous but violent behavior is not necessarily indicative of mental illness. It just tends to be a combination of 3 things: 1) value of self biology/lif…

Putting so little value in other people life is a mental illness. Its not a question of perception. Considering your intellectual / material property over someone life is being a sociopath.

It totally is a question of perception and philosophy. Death is literally a part of life. We all die. The value of life is what you make of it. The fact that this arsonist got roasted himself shows his perspective on the idea of "precious bodies" in general. He was wronged, palgiarized, steamrolled by an idomitable corporation and had no recourse. Je expressed in through corporeal action. You may disagree with the morality of his actions but your assessment of mental illness is just a way to end any discussion about what life is worth when it comes to being traded for political action, injustice, change, etc.

We all live for something. Everyone chooses what to live and die for unless circumstance chooses for them.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by golemiprague » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 12:49 PM UTC

userbinator wrote: post #38

aikinai wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a little three story building that looks like an apartment tucked into a residential street. And it's an animation studio. There's no way they have the size or resources to retain full-time security.

Something as simple as a lock on the entrances would've been enough deterrence, and that's not exactly resource-intensive. Judging by the downvotes, I may have given the impression that I've only worked in places with very high security with guards patrolling and such; that's not what I meant. I have worked in such offices, but I've never worked in one that didn't at least have a locked entrance that needed an access…

Just because of one case people are not going to lock everything and everywhere, especially not in Japan which is way more safer than the US.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by goldenkey » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 12:49 PM UTC

ianstallings wrote: post #47

goldenkey wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explain to my why you value life over principles in a universe that neither designates value to either? Having a different world view does not make a person mentally ill. Willing to die for principles means strong feelings, no more, no less. You may find what he did heinous but violent behavior is not necessarily indicative of mental illness. It just tends to be a combination of 3 things: 1) value of self biology/lif…

> Explain to my why you value life over principles in a universe that neither designates value to either That's quite the post-modernist psychopathic take on this, brushing away the value of life and claiming killing others is merely a "different world view". Edit: I'm getting down voted for calling out the OP? Never more have I realized I do not belong here. Have a good one guys, I've had enough. Right and wrong are…

It literally is a different world view. You only have to look at the Middle East.