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Tell HN: Pluralsight and the dark-pattern of auto-renewals

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Re: Tell HN: Pluralsight and the dark-pattern of auto-renewals

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Do you know a similar service outside US?

You can get virtual cards and virtual disposable cards with Revolut but it costs a little fee or it‘s free with the premium/metal subscription

Revolut's disposable card is awesome. I use it constantly.

Re: Tell HN: Pluralsight and the dark-pattern of auto-renewals

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> This is a serious dark-pattern and I'm surprised companies still employ it. It's so short-sighted.

It's not short-sighted at all. Literally every adult should be aware that subscriptions generally auto-renew, unless advertised otherwise. It's been like that since the dawn of time.

From a business perspective, it makes little sense not to do auto-renewals. Of all the subscriptions that I've ever had, those that didn't auto-renew, I let lapse, often permanently. I didn't think to myself "I should reward this company for not doing auto-renewals!", I thought "I'll get to it later".

Those that did auto-renew but that I didn't need, I didn't cancel for a long time. Of course I'm annoyed at the auto-renewals wasting my money, but not to the point where I wouldn't use the service again out of spite. If I need it, I need it.

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The other day I was stopped on the sidewalk by someone who told me they worked for a large environmental non profit that helps save endangered species. He asked if I would subscribe to help. I offered to make a donation and was told they I can't do a one time donation and they "really need subscribers". He even told me I could just cancel after the first payment. Taking advantage of someone being forgetful is sleazy.

It's not just taking advantage of forgetfulness, I think there are a number of additional psychological factors that make you more likely to keep it active. Off the top of my head, I'd say: laziness might make you convince yourself that it's not a big amount, there might be a sunken cost fallacy at play (similar to how phone agents keep you on the line on purpose, which also serves to make you feel like you didn't wa…

And the unsubscribe process might be a chore: at least that's what happens with email subscriptions.

Re: Tell HN: Pluralsight and the dark-pattern of auto-renewals

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The other day I was stopped on the sidewalk by someone who told me they worked for a large environmental non profit that helps save endangered species. He asked if I would subscribe to help. I offered to make a donation and was told they I can't do a one time donation and they "really need subscribers". He even told me I could just cancel after the first payment. Taking advantage of someone being forgetful is sleazy.

It's not just taking advantage of forgetfulness, I think there are a number of additional psychological factors that make you more likely to keep it active. Off the top of my head, I'd say: laziness might make you convince yourself that it's not a big amount, there might be a sunken cost fallacy at play (similar to how phone agents keep you on the line on purpose, which also serves to make you feel like you didn't wa…

>It's not just taking advantage of forgetfulness, I think there are a number of additional psychological factors that make you more likely to keep it active.

yeah, these companies really like to take advantage of my adhd too.

Re: Tell HN: Pluralsight and the dark-pattern of auto-renewals

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LinkedIn is the worst. Starting a trial through the mobile app requires only a couple of clicks. Trying to cancel that trial? Haha! Good luck! There's no way to do it through the mobile app. I had to open the website, login there as well, go to the help section, search for "cancel" and click on the help article. At this point I was greeted by "this feature is not supported on mobile devices" so I had Firefox request the desktop version in order to view the page.

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Slightly different, but Adobe got me with an unintended annual renewal. For their annual plan billed monthly, there's no way to turn off autorenewal until the 12th month without losing access immediately and paying a penalty. They do send you reminder emails, which I missed, but it struck me as pretty abusive to require an opt-out exactly 11-12 months after signup to avoid being locked into a new one-year contract, w…

Adobe hit me with an unintended annual renewal out of a trial . I just wanted to try Adobe Premiere Pro on a school project...well, final exams happened and I forgot to cancel the subscription. Then I moved to a different country, started a new job, and continued to forget about Adobe. A month later I see the credit card bills and try to cancel. Somehow I have an annual contract that carries an early termination pena…

What did you think was going to happen after you entered your payment details for your "free trial"? Did you not read the terms at all? It says clearly that it'll cost a monthly fee after the test period.

Here's what you don't want to hear: You were acting negligent and irresponsible. You paid the price. Worst of all, you didn't seem to learn anything from it. You're here complaining that companies shouldn't take your money when you agree to give it to them, because you can't be trusted to actually read the contracts that you enter. It's embarrassing.

Re: Tell HN: Pluralsight and the dark-pattern of auto-renewals

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I had a run in with BitDefender the other day. They charged me 120 euros for something that costs 37 euros on their website claiming auto-renewal was part of my original order 2 years ago!

The first counter offer I got, when requesting a full refund was adding 1 year or paying 37 for 1 year. Reminding then that in the EU you have a 14 day return period for online purchases made them refund the complete order.

What is especially ironic about this is that they supposedly want to protect me against online scammers, etc. In my book auto-renewals like this are scams.

Re: Tell HN: Pluralsight and the dark-pattern of auto-renewals

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adobe hit me with an unintended annual renewal out of a trial . I just wanted to try Adobe Premiere Pro on a school project...well, final exams happened and I forgot to cancel the subscription. Then I moved to a different country, started a new job, and continued to forget about Adobe. A month later I see the credit card bills and try to cancel. Somehow I have an annual contract that carries an early termination pena…

Perform a chargeback and leave a negative review on any app store you may have bought it from. Companies will just keep screwing people over if they never get punished for it.

"In one of my frequent bouts of negligence, I bought something that I didn't intend to buy and now I want to return it for a full refund for which you shall bear the cost. If you don't give it to me I will issue a fraudulent chargeback and leave negative reviews."

Who is screwing over who here?

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