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What's Coming in Python 3.8
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#234I'll just put a reminder here that it's the year 2019 and AMD and Intel has 10-core CPUs while Python is still stuck with GIL ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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#235Despite controversy, walrus operator is going to be like f-strings. Before: "Why do we need another way to..." After: "Hey this is great". People are wtf-ing a bit about the positional-only parameters, but I view that as just a consistency change. It's a way to write in pure Python something that was previously only possible to say using the C api.
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I don't think it's just >35-year-olds who find what's going on in Python against the natural order of things?
I'm 34 and I don't like this, so it's definitely not only those above 35. Jokes aside, I would say I'm a minimalist and this is where my resistance comes from. One of the things that I dislike the most in programming is feature creep. I prefer smaller languages. I like the idea of having a more minimal feature set that doesn't change very much. In a language with less features, you might have to write slightly more c…
Furthermore, I did my grad studies in compilers. I've thought about writing an optimizing JIT for Python. I really feel like CPython is needlessly slow, and it's kind of embarassing,
Many have tried and failed, Google and Dropbox to name a couple, and countless other attempts.
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Elixir? From the v1.9 release just a few weeks ago: https://elixir-lang.org/blog/2019/06/24/elixir-v1-9-0-releas... > As mentioned earlier, releases was the last planned feature for Elixir. We don’t have any major user-facing feature in the works nor planned. I know for certain some will consider this fact the most excing part of this announcement! > Of course, it does not mean that v1.9 is the last Elixir version. W…
Interesting! I imagine churn will still happen, except it will be in the library/framework ecosystem around the language (think JavaScript fatigue).
Most Elixir projects have very few dependencies because the Elixir and Erlang stdlibs are very batteries included. You don't typically reach for a dependency unless you need most of its features. Often you will reimplement the parts you need in your own code, except where it's reasonably complicated (pooling, DB connections, ORMs, web frameworks) or tricky to get right (security, password hashing, paxos).
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#238Despite controversy, walrus operator is going to be like f-strings. Before: "Why do we need another way to..." After: "Hey this is great". People are wtf-ing a bit about the positional-only parameters, but I view that as just a consistency change. It's a way to write in pure Python something that was previously only possible to say using the C api.
I wonder if the controversial Go's error check function "try" proposal[0] will also be similar to this situation.
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#239I long for a language which has a basic featureset, and then "freezes", and no longer adds any more language features. You may continue working on the standard library, optimizing, etc. Just no new language features. In my opinion, someone should be able to learn all of a language in a few days, including every corner case and oddity, and then understand any code. If new language features get added over time, eventua…
This is why a lot of scientific code still uses fortran, code written several decades ago still compiles and has the same output. How long has the code which was transitioned to python lasted?
> How long has the code which was transitioned to python lasted?
A long time. 2to3 was good for ~90% of my code, at least
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#240Python looks more and more foreign with each release. I'm not sure what happened after 3.3 but it seems like the whole philosophy of "pythonic", emphasizing simplicity, readability and "only one straightforward way to do it" is rapidly disappearing.
This is what happens when you lose a BDFL. While things become more "democratic", you lose the vision and start trying to make everyone happy.