Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Future’

Post by drewpink » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 4:15 PM UTC

almost_usual wrote: post #133

baggachipz wrote: post #125

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> Tesla which is run by a delusional snake oil salesman who had a single hit with the Model S Being that dismissive and willfully ignorant discredits your entire argument. A snake oil salesman produces nothing and hoodwinks people. I drive my "snake oil" every day and not only is it the best car I've ever driven, it's the coolest thing I've ever owned. I routinely watch his "snake oil" launch huge payloads to orbit a…

It's hard to judge Tesla at this point, most automotive companies really can't be judged until their vehicles are on the road heavily for over a decade. I've said this before but I can't imagine a Tesla on the road today being on the road in thirty years. Hopefully I'm wrong. Otherwise we're going to have a lot of 'good for the environment' vehicles in landfills like cellphones. While the gas guzzling 30+ year old To…

Post by pedrocr » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 4:16 PM UTC

compiler-guy wrote: post #126

pedrocr wrote: post #120

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> much less be able to replicate human cognition that goes into operating heavy machinery in a busy multi-agent social context This holds if you expect self-driving cars to be able to work like humans in picking up "body-language" cues around other drivers. But we can also approach the problem the other way around and set better fixed rules for how driving needs to be done and adjust the road and car infrastructure t…

Someone should redo the old "Spam Solutions" form except for self-driving cars. Found it: https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt The parent response would have these ideas checked: (X) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once ... (X) Asshats (X) Jurisdictional problems ... (X) Technically illiterate politicians ... (X) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually

Post by shareIdeas » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 4:19 PM UTC

landryraccoon wrote: post #144

rmolin88 wrote: post #128

>Waymo’s CEO, John Krafcik, has admitted that a self-driving car that can drive in any condition, on any road, without ever needing a human to take control—usually called a “level five” autonomous vehicle—will basically never exist. At the Wall Street Journal’s D.Live conference, Krafcik said that “autonomy will always have constraints.” It will take decades for self-driving cars to become common on roads. Even then,…

> In short, sensors on autonomous vehicles don’t work well in snow or rain This is a curious line of reasoning for me. Why are humans allowed to drive in snow or rain though? Your sensors work considerably worse in snow or rain, and there is abundant evidence over the entire history of cars that humans butcher each other with motor vehicles in snow or rain constantly. The bar is simply that an autonomous car has to b…

Post by beat » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 4:23 PM UTC

Post by tabtab » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 4:25 PM UTC

seibelj wrote: post #149

tabtab wrote: post #146

We don't need all-or-nothing. A good many people stay off the road anyhow during poor weather, and those who do go out usually stay on familiar routes, such as to work or their favorite grocery store. If self-driving cars/buses stick to a subset of streets and don't go out in big storms, they can still be widely useful. Set up (require) a universal network/database of road conditions on the main streets that all self…

By admitting this fact you dramatically reduce the value of self driving cars and thus the inflated valuations of companies trying to create them. It is an uncomfortable truth.