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The Raspberry Pi 4 needs a fan

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Re: The Raspberry Pi 4 needs a fan

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Indeed, the fan shim is insanely cool and I just bought one of these the moment that it was back in stock together with my Raspberry Pi 4. It also works on the Pi 3 and 2. Here's the link if anyone's interested: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/fan-shim

Glad you like it! We think it's the best solution for cooling any model of Raspberry Pi that's available.

Never seen these before and just bought one! I'm going to try running some old 3d games via Wine on the Pi and this fan will probably really help performance. :)

Re: The Raspberry Pi 4 needs a fan

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post #44

Quote: the metal casing helps spread that heat around It does, to a degree. But that is absolutely not what we are seeing in that IR picture. Shiny bare metal is a mirror at the wavelengths that thermal camera uses. So what you see on thermal image where wifi-module shield and CPU are is reflection of ambient (room) where this picture was taken. Try waving your hand around, you'll see it reflecting there too. To meas…

There's a better image here- https://medium.com/@ghalfacree/benchmarking-the-raspberry-pi...

That image is still highly misleading, you can see from the overlayed optical image that the CPU is not coated.

Ideally you'd want to coat any metal surface with black epoxy, and set the IR camera Emissivity Coefficient to 0.9 (the coefficient for black epoxy).

Re: The Raspberry Pi 4 needs a fan

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post #9

Even the previous-gen Pis would easily throttle under load without a heat sink (although usually installing a decent heat sink was enough to resolve the problem, assuming decent airflow). As the article notes, the heat was mainly from the SoC in the past. The Pi 4 is on a whole different level indeed. I imagine the logic here is the same as with many other Pi accessories: if you need it, you'll buy it or get it as pa…

That’s just it, though. The official Pi power supply is adequate and good for powering the Pi in any condition, but the case is a far cry from adequate. At best, it just toasts everything inside more evenly, at worst it contributes to throttling because now the heat from every other part of the Pi forms a hot thermal blanket over the CPU. I’m amazed they didn’t at least add a few passive ventilation holes or slots, s…

I'm sad about the case too, it needs some extensive Dremel work to allow prolonged database queries or movie transcoding or basically anything I'd like to use it for

Re: The Raspberry Pi 4 needs a fan

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The Pi 4 is the first generation that's actually not horrible at running Kubernetes, so I'm mostly having fun with that (ongoing saga at www.pidramble.com).

Is this just about how fast the CPU is, or is there some other reason the k8s experience is better now?

I'm sure 4GB memory helps a lot.

Re: The Raspberry Pi 4 needs a fan

#66
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So does the pi 3 if you stick it in a case, even with a heatsink. I was using a pi 3 with a heatsink in the official case to play a h265 movie (which will be software decoded on a pi3). After about 10 minutes I noticed it started dropping frames and it displayed the thermometer symbol in the top-right of the display. When I removed the top lid from the case, the temperature dropped enough for the thermometer icon to…

Flirc makes excellent passive cooling cases for RPis. Basically the entire shell is a heat sink.

Works for me, all my little media boxes run happily with them, despite running 24/7.

Re: The Raspberry Pi 4 needs a fan

#67
post #44

Quote: the metal casing helps spread that heat around It does, to a degree. But that is absolutely not what we are seeing in that IR picture. Shiny bare metal is a mirror at the wavelengths that thermal camera uses. So what you see on thermal image where wifi-module shield and CPU are is reflection of ambient (room) where this picture was taken. Try waving your hand around, you'll see it reflecting there too. To meas…

There's a better image here- https://medium.com/@ghalfacree/benchmarking-the-raspberry-pi...

Can't you just put it on a thumper?

I dunno Atmos or something... ... ...

Phonons and dat shiznit!

- DAMNED ENGINEERS

:)

Re: The Raspberry Pi 4 needs a fan

#68
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, the fan shim is insanely cool and I just bought one of these the moment that it was back in stock together with my Raspberry Pi 4. It also works on the Pi 3 and 2. Here's the link if anyone's interested: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/fan-shim

Glad you like it! We think it's the best solution for cooling any model of Raspberry Pi that's available.

Awesome. I didn't know about these until day, and I just ordered one. I may need a couple more down the line as well.

Re: The Raspberry Pi 4 needs a fan

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> If you run computing hardware at its thermal capacity for long periods of time, this will cause more wear on the parts than if they are run well inside their limits. How true is this actually? Personal anecdote is an I5-2500K overclocked to 4.6ghz with budget aftermarket cooler (its at 4.6ghz constantly regardless of load). It's been running 24/7 in my desktop since 2011. When will it fail? I see these disclaimers…

Last time I checked, a consumer grade CPU has expected lifespan of 20-30 years, so your CPU is still in its young adult years

The rough date you checked will be relevant - as CPUs move to smaller process nodes, they become more susceptible to this type of failure.

Re: The Raspberry Pi 4 needs a fan

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Does it have a standalone mode, where it doesn't need to be controlled by software? I'm interested in using it with prebuilt images that wouldn't be able to run the python to control the fan.

By default it's always on. If you (optionally) install the daemon then it can use the Pi SoC's internal temperature sensor to control dynamically based on need.

I don't suppose it has a fan RPM sensor or anything, so one can monitor the health of the fan itself?
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