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Re: Sia – Decentralized cloud storage network

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Post by gnode »

leetbulb wrote: post #133
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On balance, I purchased 45 refurb 4TB SAS drives around the same time. I had two DOA with 0% failure rate since then. Also, very anecdotal, I know.

I'm wondering if the fact mine were He filled refurbs could've been a factor.

That all three drives lasted this long then failed within a month is very suspect. This sounds less like random failure indicative of the quality of refurbished drives in general, and more like a defect common to all three drives.

Because of such plagues, data-centre operators often mix drives of different manufacturers, models, batches and ages. Running heterogeneous devices in a redundant array helps makes the failure distribution more random so that the safety margin is less likely to be suddenly overwhelmed by correlated failures.

Re: Sia – Decentralized cloud storage network

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Post by psKama »

alexnewman wrote: post #140

I was greatly skeptical of these types of systems but ipfs proved me wrong. It's fine, when combined with a CDN. I'm interested in what new use cases Sia handles when CDN + IPFS works so well. For instance my blog https://www.wuli.nu (source code https://github.com/posix4e/blog )

Can you please clarify which CDN features are you referring to on your blog (can't find any) or anywhere else? Also can you elaborate what do you even mean by "so well"? Sia was started to be built before IPFS was even announced and has hosted PBs of data already as a working product. On the other hand IPFS hasn't even released it's public testnet so it would be great to understand your point. Edit: btw by IPFS I assume you refer to their Sia equivalent product, Filecoin. At least I do, as IPFS cannot be compared to Sia alone.

Re: Sia – Decentralized cloud storage network

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Post by filebase »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #171
solidasparagus wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty arrogant to say you're going to make cloud storage providers obsolete when you haven't even built a competing solution. You can't even share data yet... And what about all the other features that cloud providers offer? You say "[the] Sia software is exponentially improving, and performance and featureset is quickly approaching Amazon S3", but I see absolutely no evidence of even the most basic features of clou…

I went and tested this after reading the article https://filebase.com/ Only took me a couple of minutes to get a file uploaded using the aws-cli. It’s the only decentralized object storage solution I’ve ever seen that seems to actually work.

Thanks for trying out our service! We're glad to hear that it was an easy experience for you.

Re: Sia – Decentralized cloud storage network

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Post by tfha »

tech_man7 wrote: post #155
Taek wrote: post #82

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I think the idea behind SGX based cloud computing would be that you send encrypted data and code to the enclave, which then decrypts the data, does the computation, encrypts the result, and then returns the encrypted result. The enclave gets to see everything that's going on, but in theory nothing can view or corrupt what's going on inside of the enclave. I'm personally pretty skeptical that SGX is a secure platform,…

Yes, this is the idea. Enclave technology should improve over time, whether it's SGX or something else. And Golem is working with Intel, Texas A&M and others in creating an environment called Graphene ( https://grapheneproject.io/ ) where applications can easily be run on SGX.

Enclave defeating technology will improve over time as well. Things like scanners and lasers and emi detectors get better and better just as technologies for hiding from them do.

Re: Sia – Decentralized cloud storage network

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Post by alexnewman »

psKama wrote: post #182
alexnewman wrote: post #140

I was greatly skeptical of these types of systems but ipfs proved me wrong. It's fine, when combined with a CDN. I'm interested in what new use cases Sia handles when CDN + IPFS works so well. For instance my blog https://www.wuli.nu (source code https://github.com/posix4e/blog )

Can you please clarify which CDN features are you referring to on your blog (can't find any) or anywhere else? Also can you elaborate what do you even mean by "so well"? Sia was started to be built before IPFS was even announced and has hosted PBs of data already as a working product. On the other hand IPFS hasn't even released it's public testnet so it would be great to understand your point. Edit: btw by IPFS I ass…

I am in no way referring to filecoin. I am talking about IPFS and cloudflare integration. https://blog.cloudflare.com/distributed-web-gateway/

Re: Sia – Decentralized cloud storage network

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Post by alexnewman »

psKama wrote: post #182
alexnewman wrote: post #140

I was greatly skeptical of these types of systems but ipfs proved me wrong. It's fine, when combined with a CDN. I'm interested in what new use cases Sia handles when CDN + IPFS works so well. For instance my blog https://www.wuli.nu (source code https://github.com/posix4e/blog )

Can you please clarify which CDN features are you referring to on your blog (can't find any) or anywhere else? Also can you elaborate what do you even mean by "so well"? Sia was started to be built before IPFS was even announced and has hosted PBs of data already as a working product. On the other hand IPFS hasn't even released it's public testnet so it would be great to understand your point. Edit: btw by IPFS I ass…

I actually think filecoin is worthless and IPFS is the only valuable thing that came out of that group

Re: Sia – Decentralized cloud storage network

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Post by leetbulb »

gnode wrote: post #181
leetbulb wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering if the fact mine were He filled refurbs could've been a factor.

That all three drives lasted this long then failed within a month is very suspect. This sounds less like random failure indicative of the quality of refurbished drives in general, and more like a defect common to all three drives. Because of such plagues, data-centre operators often mix drives of different manufacturers, models, batches and ages. Running heterogeneous devices in a redundant array helps makes the fail…

Makes sense to mix drives. I do this with my personal NAS (~24 drives) and has worked out nicely even at such a small scale.

Re: Sia – Decentralized cloud storage network

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Post by filebase »

anonymous5133 wrote: post #166
pmlnr wrote: post #64

These ideas are all the wrong direction to decentralize. We don't need more layers and more complexity and more blockchains, we need simple, reliable, accessible household appliances. For storage, for sharing, for posting. Please stop adding layers and layers of calculations, it's a waste of energy.

From what I understand, right now these projects are working on the backbone of the systems. In the future, other developers will be able to create services on top of these platforms to resell the storage space. So maybe someone will have an online cloud hosting service with a simple drag and drop online interface. They will charge a fee to the customer and the website operator will simply buy storage contracts on SI…

You would be correct!

Filebase[1] provides S3-compatible object storage at a fraction of the price. We happily use Sia on our backend. :)

[1] https://filebase.com

Re: Sia – Decentralized cloud storage network

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Post by filebase »

ken666 wrote: post #173
zherbert wrote: post #118

Hi all, author here, just wanted to say I am thrilled to see the HN community discuss decentralized cloud storage in more detail. There are many drawbacks today and narrow use-cases, but our goal is to continue to improve Sia – and over the coming years we will prove that decentralized storage can compete directly with Amazon, Google, and Microsoft. We feel confident that the marketplace dynamics, in particular, will…

Hi, Any chances that Sia will eventually support directly restic/Borg? I did not know about filebase (and looks interesting), but honestly it is barely competitive with backblaze/wasabi for backups.

Thanks for checking out our service! Filebase[1] offers an S3-compatible API and we are happy to confirm that we have tested basic use cases with restic.

Using Sia on our backend enables us to offer cloud storage at very competitive rates. Currently, Backblaze charges egress fees (we don't) and Wasabi has a 90-day minimum charge for all objects. (we have no minimums)

[1] https://filebase.com

Re: Sia – Decentralized cloud storage network

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Post by EthanHeilman »

peterkelly wrote: post #168
solidasparagus wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty arrogant to say you're going to make cloud storage providers obsolete when you haven't even built a competing solution. You can't even share data yet... And what about all the other features that cloud providers offer? You say "[the] Sia software is exponentially improving, and performance and featureset is quickly approaching Amazon S3", but I see absolutely no evidence of even the most basic features of clou…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

I often enjoy the cynicism of HN as a counterpoint to the typical breathless media coverage of new technology. However that now famous comment on dropbox is a good demonstration that cynicism isn't a short cut to truth.
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