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The PGP Problem

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Re: The PGP Problem

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Really, all I did here was combine posts from Matthew Green, Filippo Valsorda, and George Tankersley into one post, and then talk to my partner LVH about it. So blame them.

(also 'pvg, who said i should write this, and it's been nagging at me ever since)

Re: The PGP Problem

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post #2

Really, all I did here was combine posts from Matthew Green, Filippo Valsorda, and George Tankersley into one post, and then talk to my partner LVH about it. So blame them. (also 'pvg, who said i should write this, and it's been nagging at me ever since)

I've followed and enjoyed your commentary on PGP and cryptography in general, so I thought I'd post it.

Any idea when Fillipo's `age` will be done, or how to follow its development, other than the Google doc?

Re: The PGP Problem

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post #3
post #2

Really, all I did here was combine posts from Matthew Green, Filippo Valsorda, and George Tankersley into one post, and then talk to my partner LVH about it. So blame them. (also 'pvg, who said i should write this, and it's been nagging at me ever since)

I've followed and enjoyed your commentary on PGP and cryptography in general, so I thought I'd post it. Any idea when Fillipo's `age` will be done, or how to follow its development, other than the Google doc?

Filippo should get to work! The design part of age is the hard part; the actual programming is, I think? maybe one of the easier problems in cryptography (encrypt a single file with modern primitives).

I am a little bit giving Filippo shit here but one concern I have about talking "age" up is that I'm at the same time talking the problem of encrypting a file up more than it needs to be, so that people have the impression we'd have to wait, like, 5 years to finally see something do what operating systems should have been doing themselves all this time.

Re: The PGP Problem

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I am a combination of honored and terrified that signify is the leading example for how to sign packages. The original goals were a bit more modest, mostly focused only on our needs. But that's probably what's most appealing about it.

Re: The PGP Problem

#6
The missing answer in there is how to avoid PGP/GnuPG for commit signing. I've asked about this in another similar thread[0] but didn't get a hopeful answer.

Everytime I look at git's documentation GPG seems very entrenched in there, to a point that for things that matter I'd use signify on the side.

Is there a better way?

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20379501

Re: The PGP Problem

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I am a combination of honored and terrified that signify is the leading example for how to sign packages. The original goals were a bit more modest, mostly focused only on our needs. But that's probably what's most appealing about it.

I think you should get comfortable with that, because all the opinions I've collected seem to be converging on it as the answer; Frank Denis Frank-Denis-i-fying it seems to have cinched it. Until quantum computers break conventional cryptography, it would be downright weird to see someone design a new system with anything else.

Re: The PGP Problem

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With the rapid churn of various chat clients it's hard to get something to stick, and I attempted to settle on XMPP+OMEMO (or OTR), since it's a protocol, not an "app" (eww). Not a single person I know still uses XMPP, and it's easier to just tell people "Download Signal". However, that requires a phone number, and is useless on a desktop if your phone's off. Despite being Free Software, it's fairly locked down.

Secure communication with most people is nigh impossible these days, because nobody wants to not use SMS.

There has to be a better solution, and despite email+PGP's flaws, it's the only system I've seen that's stood the test of time. There are pretty good plugins for Mail.app (macOS) and Outlook (Windows), and if you use Linux you probably can deal with gpg. We use it at work for email, and pretty much everyone can work with it at any level of technical expertise. Anyone else have any solutions that have worked in their circles, including non-technical family members?

Re: The PGP Problem

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I would suggest using restic over TarSnap for encrypted backups -- it gives you more flexibility with where your backups will be stored since TarSnap is pretty integrated with Colin Percival's online service and is also unfortunately not free software. But it's also an as-simple-as-possible cryptosystem. Filippo did a quick lookthrough and said that it seemed sane from a crypto perspective[1].

[1]: https://blog.filippo.io/restic-cryptography/

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