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Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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That pre-supposes that the problem is money - state and local revenues have been growing at 6%+ CAGR since the 1970’s, well in excess of inflation. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/state-general-rev...

But what does that look like on a per-capita basis?

Well population growth over that period was ~1% and inflation was ~3.7% so still ~1.3% real increase in spending a year...

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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In the posted video, they said it was required for Medicaid.

Among other things. You'd have to live a mostly-off-grid lifestyle without it, but it's possible and completely legal. I.e., you are never legally required to produce any type of state ID card in Florida.

Not true.

In most states (FL included) you will be arrested for failing to identify if there is probable cause for requesting such identification, i.e. a traffic violation or suspicion of criminal activity.

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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Off topic, but a method to determine who sold your contact information. Whenever I sign up for a service I'll add letters to the end of my first name. I've done this for over 15 years and all of my adult life. Because of this, I've been able to determine the government is where most of my personal information is sold and used for market material against me. Disney is also another large culprit of spam. Although, they…

Private industry scrapes public records without the government's cooperation though.

If you file for bankruptcy, you will very quickly be inundated by offers for auto loans and high-interest credit cards. The data isn't sold, it's just public record.

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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Among other things. You'd have to live a mostly-off-grid lifestyle without it, but it's possible and completely legal. I.e., you are never legally required to produce any type of state ID card in Florida.

Not true. In most states (FL included) you will be arrested for failing to identify if there is probable cause for requesting such identification, i.e. a traffic violation or suspicion of criminal activity.

Still true. All that means is verbally telling them the correct name and birthdate. No ID required. (Unless, of course, you were driving, obviously.)

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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> background checks Without explicit consent from the person being checked? That still seems to be a privacy violation to me.

Well, with Republican state governments cutting all traditional income means (read: taxes) how else are they to afford to run? This is 77m dollars. Yeah its horrible that your data is being sold. But there's no privacy amendment in the USA. And state budgets are suffering. Seems like raising taxes and voting better people would go quite a ways to stopping these practices from becoming normalized. (Edit: for those of…

USA does have a privacy amendment, the 4th amendment. Concisely summarized here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_seizure#United_Stat...

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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I don't get why IRL mail spam is still allowed. It's a fucking nuisance. 95% of the mail I get is junk mail. Another 4% is recurring bill notices or something similarly low-value (yeah, I could probably make some of those go away by logging into whatever-it-is and checking a box somewhere, but it's overwhelmed by the junk mail anyway). Maybe 1% is something I actually care about. And I get a lot of mail. I'd pay a fe…

You can pay a fee to avoid mail spam. Just rent a Post Office box and they’ll filter all that stuff out for you. Downside is that they won’t bring it to your house. If you want a post office that works for you and taxes you appropriately, amen. Some politicians believe that organizations like the post office should be privatized and taxes minimized, thus USPS is forced to find private revenue sources. The result is j…

Since when? I've had multiple residential post office boxes in different states that were invariable filled to the brim with junk mail. More frustrating because I only had a box just so I could get a single bill from a non-Internet-friendly utility.

In fact, my local post office had to remove all the trash cans from the lobby and walkways because they were filling up with junk mail so often. Probably disheartening for postal employees to spend a whole shift sorting mail and then walking outside to see it all dumped in a single trash can.

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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post #92

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In Florida, its not personal though and its not just DMVs. Basically if the government has your information, anyone can submit a FOIA request to get it. This is particularly bad with licensed professionals (Real Estate agents, hair saloon cutters, etc.) that have to have a business license to operate. You can get the contact information (email, home address, phone number) for all of these individuals b/c its required…

> hair saloon cutters You need a government-issued licence to cut hair in Florida?!

In most places you need a business license to operate a business of any kind.

Then there's more industry-specific licenses based on what you're doing.

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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post #121

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Write "not deliverable" and drop it back into the "outbound mail" slot? Or get a stamp with the same for even-less-work version.

Hah, tried that. The local post office will just deliver it to your mailbox again, and again, and again. My record is 3 times for a real piece of mail addressed to someone who used to live where I live. After that I just recycled it.

You have to cross out or write over the To address on the envelope. If you add some scribbles to a corner of the envelope, yeah, they won't notice and just re-deliver.

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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Well, with Republican state governments cutting all traditional income means (read: taxes) how else are they to afford to run? This is 77m dollars. Yeah its horrible that your data is being sold. But there's no privacy amendment in the USA. And state budgets are suffering. Seems like raising taxes and voting better people would go quite a ways to stopping these practices from becoming normalized. (Edit: for those of…

USA does have a privacy amendment, the 4th amendment. Concisely summarized here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_seizure#United_Stat...

This comment makes no sense because the Fourth doesn't apply to data/information that you've surrendered to the DMV and that the DMV owns.

Precisely from the same Wiki article that you linked: "...courts have found that a person does not possess a reasonable expectation of privacy in information transferred to a third party...".

So, the right "...to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures..." doesn't apply, here, whatsoever. The reason that the DMV can sell the data is a direct effect of the fact that they own the data that you've surrendered for the privilege of driving.

In order for your reference to have any standing, jurisprudence must first be reversed and that seems a dauntingly monumental and nigh-impossible task.

It doesn't mean or infer that I think it's a "good" thing (hint: I do not) but to simply dismiss it as being protected by the fourth negates the very premise that has already been established that it isn't (as in this case, with the DMV).

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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USA does have a privacy amendment, the 4th amendment. Concisely summarized here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_seizure#United_Stat...

This comment makes no sense because the Fourth doesn't apply to data/information that you've surrendered to the DMV and that the DMV owns. Precisely from the same Wiki article that you linked: " ...courts have found that a person does not possess a reasonable expectation of privacy in information transferred to a third party... ". So, the right " ...to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against…

The comment you failed to make sense of makes a specific correction to a specific false statement. The U.S. does in fact have constitutional protection of privacy.

You seem to want to discuss the applicability of that protection to this specific situation. I'm not especially interested in doing that. But I will supply the part of the quote you elided: "transferred to a third party, such as writing on the outside of an envelope sent through the mail or left for pick-up in an area where others might view it"

If you want to argue that giving info to the DMV is analagous to writing on the outside of an envelope, feel free. I was only interested in correcting the common misconception that the constitution doesn't say anything about privacy.

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