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DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps

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Re: DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps

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Why does neither maps.duckduckgo.com or duckduckgo.com/maps take me to the maps interface? Thats the number one way I access google maps.

Likewise. Note ddg.co works too, saves lots of typing.

My brain doesn't do .co. No matter how I try. Duck.com works for me though.

Re: DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps

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Apple has taken good stances on most privacy issues, but Apple Maps is poorly run. The main failure is not having something akin to a Google Scout, whereby iOS users could submit info about businesses and streets that lack data. Apple instead hires a ton of contractors in Austin (and now India) to manually trace roads and guess business hours based on anonymized GPS traces. Apple lacks the scale of Google's army of u…

There’s an easy way for users to submit feedback/fixes to Apple maps, I used to do it all the time. The best (?) part is they’ll notify you on your device when the issue is fixed, typically in a day or two. Nowadays the only time I’ve submitted a fix is in a really small town no one goes to.

There’s an easy way for users to submit feedback/fixes to Apple maps

Which is? If I say "Hey Siri, how do I report an error with your navigation?" I get search results for how to report problems with Google Maps. And I definitely don't see any UI widgets that suggest that they're for reporting problems.

Re: DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps

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Last weekend I used Apple Maps to navigate to a movie theater from within the Trailers app. Not sure which one got it wrong. We ended up in some neighborhood two miles from the theater. I knew once we pulled off the main road and into that neighborhood that we were screwed.

Apple Maps keeps confusing California St. and California Ave. in San Francisco. One is in downtown SF and the other is in Treasure Island, a part of the city surrounded on all sides by water only accessible via the Bay Bridge.

What do you mean by "confusing"? They have different names. If you select "California St" you get California St, and if you select "California Ave" you get California Ave.

Re: DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps

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This is cool to see, and I think should be a virtuous cycle. As I understand it, maps is the kind of thing where more usage really helps make the map better, and while DDG doesn’t bring the scale of being the iphone’s default map, it should be adding a non-trivial amount of traffic. I’ve used Apple Maps as my primary map since it came out, and I’ve only gotten a wrong location one time in literally thousands of searc…

I primarily use Apple Maps and its directions and the accuracy of roads have always been great for me. But sometimes I can't find a POI and searching for POIs can be significantly worse than Google Maps.

Re: DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps

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> Not saying it’s clearly better than Google If privacy is worth something to you, it’s clearly better than Google. I, too, use Apple as my primary map. In many cases, Apple Maps is better Google. The ones in which it’s behind are more than made up for by Apple’s values.

Interesting. Here in UK Apple maps seem to be a barren wasteland, at least up here in the north of England. Anything outside of major cities is exactly how my first Garmin satnav looked circa 2003 - lines going through absolute nothingness. And wow, don't even get me started about voice navigation - it constantly picks a wrong address, like 90% of the time. Google maps is pretty bad too(absolutely zero clue about one…

It's really location dependent.

Re: DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps

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Pretty sure you can forget about DDG supporting Google. The whole point of DDG is privacy. Not sure how they could use Google and still keep your location information private?

They do have the !g option in their search though. If you aren't happy with the results, append your string with !g and it will send you to google results. You do lose the privacy layer though. From a purely privacy standpoint this isn't much different. There are a ton of other bang options here: https://duckduckgo.com/bang ?

If you want Google Maps then you can use !gmap.

Re: DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps

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Apple have shown times and times again that they wouldn't let 3rd party do shady things into their own Maps app, that's the whole reason they got rid of Google Maps. That's a baseless accusation.

Apple have shown times and times again that they wouldn't let 3rd party do shady things into their own Maps app, that's the whole reason they got rid of Google Maps. That's a baseless accusation. You're right, if you click around in the Maps app (desktop or mobile) it takes you straight to the shady source (yelp.com). Edit: Also this: https://www.courthousenews.com/data-mining-privacy-suit-agai...

> You're right, if you click around in the Maps app (desktop or mobile) it takes you straight to the shady source (yelp.com).

Apple Maps doesn't use Yelp as a primary data source. It's used to add extra information (like reviews and photos) to existing points of interest, but the points of interest themselves are catalogued by Apple or their data providers. If you click around in Apple Maps a bit, you'll find that not all POIs have Yelp data.

> Edit: Also this: [a lawsuit about social features in the Yelp app]

I'm not sure how this is relevant.

Re: DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps

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There’s an easy way for users to submit feedback/fixes to Apple maps, I used to do it all the time. The best (?) part is they’ll notify you on your device when the issue is fixed, typically in a day or two. Nowadays the only time I’ve submitted a fix is in a really small town no one goes to.

There’s an easy way for users to submit feedback/fixes to Apple maps Which is? If I say "Hey Siri, how do I report an error with your navigation?" I get search results for how to report problems with Google Maps. And I definitely don't see any UI widgets that suggest that they're for reporting problems.

Click the information button "i" and then "Report an Issue".

Re: DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps

#109

Why support proprietary Apple Maps instead of Open Street Map? Is the data a lot more precise? Is the viewer smoother? Is it just another step towards aligning with Apple for an eventual buyout/search engine standard? That said: If privacy is the only concern Apple seems to be a pretty good ally, as the only major player with a significant interest in it.

Open Street Map is not remotely usable in many parts of the country. Picking largely at random:

South Minneapolis is pretty much unpopulated other than parks/schools/churches: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/44.9256/-93.2303

Same in a good chunk of Memphis: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/35.1364/-89.9691

and some major suburbs of Atlanta: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/33.7077/-84.2708

It appears to be a usability/functionality tradeoff. Apple Maps isn't perfect in privacy nor accuracy/completeness, but OSM is useless for many people.

Re: DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps

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Apple have shown times and times again that they wouldn't let 3rd party do shady things into their own Maps app, that's the whole reason they got rid of Google Maps. That's a baseless accusation. You're right, if you click around in the Maps app (desktop or mobile) it takes you straight to the shady source (yelp.com). Edit: Also this: https://www.courthousenews.com/data-mining-privacy-suit-agai...

> You're right, if you click around in the Maps app (desktop or mobile) it takes you straight to the shady source (yelp.com). Apple Maps doesn't use Yelp as a primary data source. It's used to add extra information (like reviews and photos) to existing points of interest, but the points of interest themselves are catalogued by Apple or their data providers. If you click around in Apple Maps a bit, you'll find that no…

I'm not sure how this is relevant.

Apple Maps steers you pretty hard towards the Yelp app if you want any business info.

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