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Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by wffurr »

dpkonofa wrote: post #55
mojuba wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with belly-up charging is that it's ridiculous quite literally. Maybe usable, but ridiculous, that is all. I think a docking/charging station for the mouse would be more elegant and nice to have, though more expensive too of course.

Even a docking station would suffer from the same problem because people would just put the mouse onto the dock every time they were done using it. Also, I don't think contact charging is as fast as cable charging. The point is to only charge it when you absolutely need to.

... but why does that matter?

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by asark »

paultopia wrote: post #79
asark wrote: post #30

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Finally used one. It was totally fine. And kept me from using it plugged in 100% of the time, which is what I'd have probably done otherwise. Not like the touchbar which I have to all-but disable to make a Macbook Pro usable at all.

It's totally fine until you show up in front of your computer one day and find that you can't use it because the mouse has run out of battery.

Yeah, then you're out of luck for a few minutes, if you somehow manage to let that happen.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by adtac »

askafriend wrote: post #90
pier25 wrote: post #68

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> Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Why should that be a problem?

Because that will wreck the battery capacity. Li-Ion batteries aren’t designed for that use-case. Also the Magic Mouse has fast charging. You’ll get a full day of battery in 2min. With a full charge, you’ll get 2+ months of usage. Do the math. You’ll most likely charge this thing less than 20 times in it’s entire life. That’s why the battery port design is both really smart and elegant. Unfortunately people don’t tak…

Is it not possible to disable battery usage completely using circuitry if connected by wire? Draw and use all power from the cable? What impact could that possibly have on the battery? I imagine it'd be similar to keeping a mouse unused.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by FireBeyond »

askafriend wrote: post #90
pier25 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Why should that be a problem?

Because that will wreck the battery capacity. Li-Ion batteries aren’t designed for that use-case. Also the Magic Mouse has fast charging. You’ll get a full day of battery in 2min. With a full charge, you’ll get 2+ months of usage. Do the math. You’ll most likely charge this thing less than 20 times in it’s entire life. That’s why the battery port design is both really smart and elegant. Unfortunately people don’t tak…

>Also the Magic Mouse has fast charging. You’ll get a full day of battery in 2min.

> With a full charge, you’ll get 2 months of usage.

> Do the math. You’ll most likely charge this thing less than 20 times in it’s entire life.

These things don't make sense as a whole.

Why put a fast charger in (to get your day's worth of charging) if your use case is "charge it to full, get 2 months", so you "likely charge this thing less than 20 times in its life"?

Most likely, you'll go to one extreme or the other, and I think the "less than 20 in its life" is entirely optimistic, and based on a use case that the design doesn't represent.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by pier25 »

askafriend wrote: post #90
pier25 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Why should that be a problem?

Because that will wreck the battery capacity. Li-Ion batteries aren’t designed for that use-case. Also the Magic Mouse has fast charging. You’ll get a full day of battery in 2min. With a full charge, you’ll get 2+ months of usage. Do the math. You’ll most likely charge this thing less than 20 times in it’s entire life. That’s why the battery port design is both really smart and elegant. Unfortunately people don’t tak…

You are assuming that when plugged the mouse would run from the battery, which quite frankly would be a terrible decision.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by kstenerud »

askafriend wrote: post #90
pier25 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Why should that be a problem?

Because that will wreck the battery capacity. Li-Ion batteries aren’t designed for that use-case. Also the Magic Mouse has fast charging. You’ll get a full day of battery in 2min. With a full charge, you’ll get 2+ months of usage. Do the math. You’ll most likely charge this thing less than 20 times in it’s entire life. That’s why the battery port design is both really smart and elegant. Unfortunately people don’t tak…

I've never understood why companies force the battery to charge the whole time it's plugged in for things that charge quickly and discharge slowly.

If a full charge lasts 2 months, then why keep it topped up while plugged in? Just charge it to 85%, then let it discharge to 50%, then charge it again. The circuit to do this can't be that hard to design.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by tomxor »

zipperhead wrote: post #63
apocalyptic0n3 wrote: post #26

The one thing I noticed missing that should have been included was the unibody MacBook design. That was a huge innovation that led to massive improvements in build quality industry-wide. If I recall correctly, he played a much larger role in that design than the iPod, which is largely credited to Tony Fadell (although Ive definitely had a large influence on later iterations).

Doesn't this make it unrepairable though? (Honest question - I don't own a MacBook)

Having owned both a 12" G4 powerbook and a 2008 MBP (unibody), the unibody was far far easier to get inside of and replace most parts.

I think when designed considerately, unibody type construction can make disassembly significantly easier.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by askafriend »

FireBeyond wrote: post #94
askafriend wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because that will wreck the battery capacity. Li-Ion batteries aren’t designed for that use-case. Also the Magic Mouse has fast charging. You’ll get a full day of battery in 2min. With a full charge, you’ll get 2+ months of usage. Do the math. You’ll most likely charge this thing less than 20 times in it’s entire life. That’s why the battery port design is both really smart and elegant. Unfortunately people don’t tak…

>Also the Magic Mouse has fast charging. You’ll get a full day of battery in 2min. > With a full charge, you’ll get 2 months of usage. > Do the math. You’ll most likely charge this thing less than 20 times in it’s entire life. These things don't make sense as a whole. Why put a fast charger in (to get your day's worth of charging) if your use case is "charge it to full, get 2 months", so you "likely charge this thing…

A full charge to 100% takes longer.

Fast charging is more intensive on the battery - you don't want it to be running on fast charge the whole time.

It's for scenarios where you might forget to charge or it's been sitting unused for a while but you still want to get to work quickly. It minimizes failure scenarios.

It's meant to be a wireless mouse. Emphasis on wireless.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by askafriend »

pier25 wrote: post #95
askafriend wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because that will wreck the battery capacity. Li-Ion batteries aren’t designed for that use-case. Also the Magic Mouse has fast charging. You’ll get a full day of battery in 2min. With a full charge, you’ll get 2+ months of usage. Do the math. You’ll most likely charge this thing less than 20 times in it’s entire life. That’s why the battery port design is both really smart and elegant. Unfortunately people don’t tak…

You are assuming that when plugged the mouse would run from the battery, which quite frankly would be a terrible decision.

The mouse is designed to never need wires except for charging. The solution is to minimize charge time, not add more features to let you use it in a wired fashion; that's regressive.

It actually works really well. I still don't like the mouse because my hands are big and the ergonomics are absolutely terrible for me, but the charging design is well considered.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by Dunedan »

amluto wrote: post #42

> [The MacBook Air] drew audible gasps from the crowd, instantly redefining how thin, light and portable a laptop could be. I was quite surprised at the time: the MacBook crowd seemed almost entirely disjoint from the ThinkPad crowd. The X61 predated the Air by months, was considerably faster, and only weighed 0.11 lbs more. The X220 was released just slightly after the Air IIRC, was even more powerful, and was light…

Back then Lenovo made a really good parody of the original MacBook Air ad (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHXgIH9eaHg), showing the advantages of their ThinkPad X300: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hnOCUkbix0
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