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Post by jtuente »

bildung wrote: post #85
nkoren wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anonymous anecdotes aside, the scandalous news they report is that Consumer Reports puts Tesla's reliability in the bottom half -- yes, shock and consernation, the BOTTOM HALF!!! -- of all automobile manufactures. Of course, 50% all automobile manufacturers are in the bottom half, and sure, it's not where you want to be. But none of the rest get special attention for being so. Want proof? Do a search for the the foll…

>* Anonymous anecdotes aside, the scandalous news they report is that Consumer Reports puts Tesla's reliability in the bottom half -- yes, shock and consernation, the BOTTOM HALF!!! -- of all automobile manufactures.* Actually Consumer Reports placed the Model S at the third-worst of 29 positions, so at the bottom 7%. "Tesla Slips" is actually a pretty mild headline, considering they slipped 6 spots and 8 was the tec…

> Actually Consumer Reports placed the Model S at the third-worst of 29 positions

It was Tesla as a whole that placed 27th of 29 on that list of average lineup reliability (tied with Cadillac at 28th). Tesla tied with RAM for the lowest "most reliable" model ranking at 49 pts, while squeaking by RAM and Volvo for lowest reliability of a model.

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Post by infecto »

alexpotato wrote: post #116
dymk wrote: post #65

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Asbestos was a known harmful substance since at least 1970, but it took until 1989 to fully ban it. A lot of companies knew the risks, but didn’t care, which is why you see 6 figure lawsuits still happening, finding the companies guilty of negligence. Their defense is “we didn’t know!”, but luckily judges are seeing through that.

I found this out when my mom had asbestos in her house a couple years ago: In cities, OUTDOOR asbestos levels can be higher than indoor level simply because asbestos is still legal to use in car brakes. Since so many cars still use them and the parts are actively "wearing" due to friction, this releases enough asbestos to up the levels above indoor.

While perhaps legal I don't think I have seen a set of asbestos brake pads in my years since working on my own car (15+ years). Perhaps they are still made but I think you would really have to go out of your way to get them. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

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Post by tzakrajs »

SEJeff wrote: post #93
tzakrajs wrote: post #83

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And that’s not even talking about how many cars they have bricked with over the air updates (probably thousands) leaving their owners stranded in the morning.

Source? I've had this happen to me once, but it was due to a battery fault (in the 12V battery amusingly, not the main battery that powers the car) stemming from some arse in a Jeep that hit me the week prior. Tesla sent a "ranger" out who fixed it in my garage in a few hours. Try that with your toyota!

Use Google there are too many first hand accounts on Reddit and Twitter to source here.

Talk to people who own Teslas and they will bitch about their experience. Tesla annoys their customers constantly with things like: inaccurate battery charge indicators, no support for CarPlay or Android Auto, updates breaking functionality in their cars, promises for self driving which never materialize, and much more. I am sure I will hear more at lunch.

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Post by close04 »

cptskippy wrote: post #111
close04 wrote: post #62

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Your description suggests the tent is actually better than the factory building in such climates (even ones with occasional below freezing temperatures). I have to ask why Tesla didn't go for a tent from the start. The logical conclusion is that the factory building provides necessary extras that still justify the incredibly high costs. And the extremes you mention are still averages. So with an average low of 43F (~…

> Your description suggests the tent is actually better than the factory building in such climates (even ones with occasional below freezing temperatures). No, the op was struggling to think of a reason why a worker might request to work in a tent. I suggested that it might be due to the climate. You're arguing that it's inconceivable that anyone in that climate might volunteer to work outside because one time in the…

I am the OP and I’m still struggling to understand how working in a tent at potentially freezing outside temps (see link above for minimums and average minimums) can be anywhere close to comfortable. You have to keep in mind that work doesn’t stop on those days (or nights). And I’m pretty sure it’s not just a 9-5 shift.

Obviously the people found the need for radiators which can be very dangerous in that environment.

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Post by simion314 »

perishabledave wrote: post #80
simion314 wrote: post #46

>Tesla is able to build the safest and best-performing cars Am I out of date with the news? Are Tesla the safest cars? I am not a car enthusiast so I recall that Volvo has most safety features, did things change or is Tesla PR so deluded, at least I would use something like "one of the safest cars", provide some modesty,

https://www.nhtsa.gov/ratings You can check the safety ratings by the NTHSA.

The link does not contain rankings, but I did some searching, on the European system in fact Tesla is one of the safes ts car. the "safest car" thing appears if you Google related with the american system in a lot of EV related articles around 2911, I can't find anything more recent and more impartial on the first google page.

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Post by simion314 »

rconti wrote: post #119
simion314 wrote: post #46

>Tesla is able to build the safest and best-performing cars Am I out of date with the news? Are Tesla the safest cars? I am not a car enthusiast so I recall that Volvo has most safety features, did things change or is Tesla PR so deluded, at least I would use something like "one of the safest cars", provide some modesty,

Yes, and to be honest, insanely out of date. I'm not telling you Teslas are the safest car on the planet, just that the "Volvo = safe" is, I don't know, maybe an early 80s mentality? It ignores decades of changes and infinite nuance into how cars are tested and evaluated for safety. There are all kinds of measures under which a car's safety can be evaluated, and to boil it down to "Volvo has the most safety features"…

Yes, I did some research now, I am not a car person and indeed Tesla is one of the safest though I can say if is indeed the safest car(are the other companies probably saying their car is the safest?)

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Post by jerf »

Angostura wrote: post #63
jerf wrote: post #33

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I think people overestimate the fallaciousness of examining the motivations of the speaker. It only applies to the factual and logical matters; the fact that CNBC may or may not hate Tesla or Elon Musk does not affect whether or not tape was used to correct cracks in parts or whether or not people were asked to work in low-quality conditions on pain of firing, or any strictly logical conclusions you may draw from tho…

What makes you think that CNBC is particularly hard on Tesla?

I personally have no opinion about CNBC and their relationship with Tesla. I'm only pointing out that it isn't fallacious to account for possible biases if they do exist. It's not just subjective assessments either; take a look at the short interest on TSLA, and the pricing of the put options around their reporting periods; they have people putting down a lot of money on their anti-TSLA bias, and have from what I've seen, quite frequently taken a bath as a result. (Now, there are reasons to believe that they are overvalued, but that's true of a lot of stocks. TSLA in particular seems to pick up a lot of this sort of behavior way beyond what the performance to date has justified. I can't speak to the future with total confidence, of course, or I'd be getting rich.)

I wouldn't be surprised if they have an anti-Tesla bias, though; while I don't know if CNBC has it, I have observed such a thing definitely exists, at a level above the baseline that any company would be expected to attract. But it seems decently balanced by the above-the-baseline pro-Tesla bias that also exists, so, shrug I guess.

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

Lazare wrote: post #42

What I find interesting is how vigorously Tesla denies everything, always, even when they're clearly wrong. They lose a lot of credibility that way; I wonder if Musk[1] realises that if he admitted the things Tesla is obviously doing wrong, he might have a hope of convincing people about the ones they're not obviously doing wrong? And it's especially odd because so much of the article is just a bunch of nothing , but…

Just so you know, I don't find your use of [1] useful or meaningful in your comment. I would have rather simply wrote the comment "I mean..." after the sentence about Musk.

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Post by tyingq »

infecto wrote: post #123
alexpotato wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found this out when my mom had asbestos in her house a couple years ago: In cities, OUTDOOR asbestos levels can be higher than indoor level simply because asbestos is still legal to use in car brakes. Since so many cars still use them and the parts are actively "wearing" due to friction, this releases enough asbestos to up the levels above indoor.

While perhaps legal I don't think I have seen a set of asbestos brake pads in my years since working on my own car (15+ years). Perhaps they are still made but I think you would really have to go out of your way to get them. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Banned in the US since 1995, but they still show up as brand counterfeits today.

https://www.google.com/search?q=counterfeit+brake+pads+asbes...

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