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Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by droptablemain »

pier25 wrote: post #68
bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

> Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Why should that be a problem?

Because how dare the end-user do anything Apple does not approve of?

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by pier25 »

bocklund wrote: post #60
mcot2 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ergonomically it is a disaster. I can’t think of a single product that embodies design over function more than this mouse. All of Apples mouse designs have been absolute train wreaks since the horrible “puck” mouse on the original iMac.

The Mighty Mouse wasn't so bad. The ball would get dirty and need to be cleaned occasionally, but you could kind of clean it without taking it apart (flip it upside down and rub it on paper), but you could also take the mouse apart to clean it more thoroughly.

The ball in my Mighty Mouse died after 6 months of use. I tried cleaning the ball but it didn't fix it. Opening the mouse broke it because it wasn't really designed to be opened. Terrible experience for a pretty expensive mouse.

I have a 10 year old Logitech mouse that still works perfectly fine.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by andrethegiant »

colmvp wrote: post #12

The G4 Cube had issues but I honestly liked it as an experimental design from a well-known computer brand. It was a breath of fresh air among the monotonous beige or gray towers of the time. And it wasn't the only G4 computer you could get, as you could've bought the tower (which I ended up doing at the time). For me, the biggest miss is the touch bar and butterfly keyboards. Those single-handily prevented me from up…

You could upgrade to a 2015 -- those have no touchbar and the old keyboard.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by d35007 »

kylesellas wrote: post #9
bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

I was wondering if that was the decision. it is well known that apple products should not constantly stayed plugged in and I think putting the charging cable in this location allowed for the battery on the mouse to stay consistent over time.

> it is well known that apple products should not constantly stayed plugged in

I've never heard this before. What's the explanation? Is it related to battery health? Why does it only apply to Apple products?

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by pier25 »

sambeau wrote: post #6

I feel the need to say this every time the 'puck mouse' comes up: I loved mine. If you use your fingers to move a mouse, rather than your hand (like I do) then it was totally fine (and I found I could move it very exactly for fine control when using a design package). I never got it the wrong way around, never had any other problems people complain about and I loved the weight of it and used to chuck it around my des…

> If you use your fingers to move a mouse, rather than your hand

This is called the "fingertip grip".

See this for more mouse grips: http://blog.logicalincrements.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02...

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by lukifer »

zipperhead wrote: post #63
apocalyptic0n3 wrote: post #26

The one thing I noticed missing that should have been included was the unibody MacBook design. That was a huge innovation that led to massive improvements in build quality industry-wide. If I recall correctly, he played a much larger role in that design than the iPod, which is largely credited to Tony Fadell (although Ive definitely had a large influence on later iterations).

Doesn't this make it unrepairable though? (Honest question - I don't own a MacBook)

Current model designs, yes; but the series from roughly 2009-2015 (and the 2011/2012 models specifically [0]) are some of the most repairable and hackable models they've made: pull the bottom panel off the Unibody frame, and all the parts are laid out. Swap RAM, replace the optical drive with a 2nd hard drive, replace the battery, fans, whatever.

Whether the "sealed-airtight-with-glue" patterns of modern Unibody designs are truly necessary (or desirable) to achieve design goals of thinness and weight is hotly contested. :)

[0] https://www.ifixit.com/Device/MacBook_Pro_15%22_Unibody_Late...

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

save_ferris wrote: post #35
bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

I developed terrible tendinitis in my fingers using the Magic Mouse within a few weeks of purchasing one, I've never had a peripheral cause me so much pain in my career.

I had that happen with the original Microsoft Ergonomic Mouse. The Magic Mouse has been fine. In fact it's my favourite mouse design ever, and I absolutely love the touch surface.

The bottom charging is kludgey, and there was probably a more elegant solution. But you only need to charge the mouse once ever couple of months, so it's not a huge problem.

However, I would guess my hands are not the same size as your hands. You don't have to be a design genius to understand there's a ton of variation in hand size, and one-size-fits-all products don't.

A genius product would be a resizable mouse with an auto-resizing guide to help you pick the right size and curve for your hand size and grip style.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

> Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time.

This happens a lot with Apple. Good, bad or otherwise, they constantly solve customer issues when the customer isn't really having an issue.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by paultopia »

asark wrote: post #30
paultopia wrote: post #4

I can't believe they still haven't fixed that charging port on the mouse. It has to be the single most hated Apple design choice ever...

Finally used one. It was totally fine. And kept me from using it plugged in 100% of the time, which is what I'd have probably done otherwise. Not like the touchbar which I have to all-but disable to make a Macbook Pro usable at all.

It's totally fine until you show up in front of your computer one day and find that you can't use it because the mouse has run out of battery.
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