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You don't understand Google culture if you think this line would fly with anyone there. Entitlement for full time employees is baked into the charter, along with transparency. That's a good thing and a bad thing, in different ways. It gave bad actors a lot of autonomy, but it also exposed them to scrutiny and pushback from good actors. What's surprising is that now these reprisals are trying to push that back to make…

> It gave bad actors a lot of autonomy, but it also exposed them to scrutiny and pushback from good actors. So far, we've seen quite a bit of the former and very little of the latter. Google's work culture seems to have become politically divisive to a rather surprising extent - if this is what "entitlement" boils down to, surely a more "normal" structure (though I'd settle for just a marginal increase in professiona…

I agree!

The victories are small and recent. The exposure of executive sexism, The push back against military contractors, and the recent pride petitions are modest victories at best, and they've come with a heavy price.

Still, many other major tech companies lack a list at all, despite every indication of facing similar issues.

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#182
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One less person on the payroll to generate negative news and internal strife is surely a positive development.

Imagine someone at Boeing would have generated some negative news about the MAX... I would think that smart people would admire people that speak against bad things like sexual harassment(which is illegal AFAIK) but I seems that we have people here that would prefer not see the dark sports of their favorite company.

I was reading the Amazon protest thread and it seems that the capitalists/free market guys would be fine with sexual harassment too because free markets would fix it and you have the choice to resign, too bad some communist made it illegal /s

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If a set of powerful men use the interests to said corporation to enrich themselves at the expense of women who are there, then it is definitely a sexism issue. I appreciate the economic arguments you are hinting at, but they are not incompatible with the notion that sexism was at play. We know, factually, that executives Google broke the law and then we're paid large sums of money to leave. You cannot easily disenta…

Evidence over supposition. I have no problem with the claim in the face of evidence. I just don't see any here.

What precisely are you asking evidence for? I can't work it out.

are you asking for evidence that there was high profile examples of sexism at Google? That essentially went unpunished? That's all the matter public record.

Are you asking for evidence that the people who have been forced out helped organize the women's march?

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post #99

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I believe the strong term "evil" is only used because Google's motto is "don't be evil". Not everyone has the freedom to instantly change jobs. The world might be a better place if employees had the right to whistle blow without being threatened with homelessness or fleeing to Russia. Unions striking and protesting against their companies for better wages seems acceptable. Why is protesting for ethical reasons withou…

Didn't they drop that motto like 3 years ago?

Yes, but the beliefs of the folks that have been at Google for 5+ years hasn't changed. Source: been at google since 2006.

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Way to chop off my sentence at the perfect point for you to counter it, while ignoring the rest of the context it was said. I’ve edited it now so it won’t be.

Well, you edited it a bit now but my point is, you're either misunderstanding or misrepresenting what "equal compensation" is about. If it's the former, the linked page is a good place to start.

I could link you to plenty of politic hot topics that I care about. But I don’t see how that helps explain the role of highly politicized work environments.

Violence on the other hand also has no place in the work environment. Which is why harassment of all forms isn’t tolerated.

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Its a shame this submission might be flag killed as there continues to be important issues to discuss. The main thing it seems to me is that if a worker is unhappy with their company and is so unhappy their protest (and organise a walk out) their employer its even more clear they are unhappy working there. The unhappiness or alienation will increase. I might have got it wrong though .... did these protestors say they…

>What should be the best way for people happy working with their colleagues or team but concerned about other things with the organisation to continue their good working environment and share their views? Maybe it's just a HR thing.

It's a corporate thing. Profits over ethics, laws, and people. That simple principle cannot be changed from the inside.

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post #147

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Yes, if only there was some news story alleging that Google treated workers poorly after raising harassment concerns. Sounds like you want to see that!

She reported an incident of sexual harassment that was ignored and then she was fired?

I can't speak specifically to this case, but yes, that happens all the damn time. Higher-ups are protected in harassment incidents and the victim is retaliated against.

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It's literally illegal. There are laws against retaliation against whistleblowers. That is why it is surprising. > I don't understand the desire to stay with a company and accept paychecks while simultaneously publicly denouncing and leading protests against them. Because you don't want to see the thing you worked so hard to build misused to build killer robots and "war minds"? Seems reasonable to me. Google's got a…

>Because you don't want to see the thing you worked so hard to build misused to build killer robots and "war minds"? Seems reasonable to me. Google's got a different mission and sometimes the leadership forgets it, and needs to be reminded. The question is not why would you publicly protest actions of your employer. The question is why would you expect, or even want, to work there while you do. Also, do whistleblower…

The two women who claimed retaliation were organizers of the women's march. The common thread between them is that they were organizers of that event.

The claims of retaliation fell shortly after that.

Re: Google Protest Leader Leaves

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It's bad to retaliate against workers who organize against sexual harassment and gender compensation disparity in the workplace. It looks bad because it is bad.

So as long as you have good intentions you should be free to bring whatever politics to work? Regardless of how, as long as what your protesting the right things everything else doesn’t matter?

Tell people not to "bring whatever politics to work" is explicit endorsement of the status quo. There is no neutral stance; everything is political.

Re: Google Protest Leader Leaves

#190
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I'm pretty there was some protest surrounding the ethics council.

There was separate protests that the ethics council was inappropriately scoped and those on the council not fit to be there. The protests Meredith was on was regarding the letting go with generous severance packages of employees found to have been sexually harassing co workers, and the lack of resources within Google for those victims of sexual harassment/assault.

She was active in organizing the petition drive that successfully pressured Google to keep Kay Coles James off the committee. [0] [1] [2] [3] [4]

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/01/google-ka...

[1] https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/04/google-employees-call-on-...

[2] https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/04/leftist-googlers-kay-cole...

[3] https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/05/google-drops-heritage-fou...

[4] https://www.newstarget.com/2019-04-06-leaked-emails-suggest-...

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