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Re: Google Protest Leader Leaves

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Interesting to see as polarization increases, as it will given the environment, whether a company can break into two along political lines. Has that happened before in history? I wouldn't mind a seperate conservative google and a liberal google. Let the quality of the product offered decide which is better.

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idk...their political opinions can deeply effect the product. At Intel or Microsoft for example it doesn't matter as much, what anyone's political views are. Their products can't start riots tomorrow morning.

Now ofcourse the corporate robots managing things are more interested in keeping the factory running than in anything else. So their natural instinct is to deny conservative/liberal fault lines.

But I think it will just increase the fault lines. We have conservative and liberal newspapers. There is a reason they bifurcated.

Search tech these days is really commoditized. Look at Elastic Search sure not as good as Google but it will do the job for most cases. On top of that adding a conservative or liberal layer might actually benefit people. It feels more natural anyway. Now there is a lot of cognitive dissonance. Which is not going to go away.

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I don't really understand why it's surprising to anyone that they would face "internal retaliation" after exposing their employer as evil and boycott worthy to the entire world. By publicizing it to the degree that they did and attaching their name to it, they were putting their interests over the company. If my company started doing business practices that I didn't approve of, I would try my hardest to change the di…

It's literally illegal. There are laws against retaliation against whistleblowers. That is why it is surprising. > I don't understand the desire to stay with a company and accept paychecks while simultaneously publicly denouncing and leading protests against them. Because you don't want to see the thing you worked so hard to build misused to build killer robots and "war minds"? Seems reasonable to me. Google's got a…

What laws? Source for that please.

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What retaliation have they faced from Google exactly?

IANAL, but nothing I've read in sibling comments and other threads fits the legal definition of retaliation. Realigning priorities in a way that the employee doesn't like, sure, but not technically retaliation from a legal perspective. EDIT: To clarify, Google's reaction isn't the disqualifier, it's that the employee's action of staging a political walkout isn't legally protected since it conflicts with contractual d…

That is besides the point. If Google retaliated in any way it's bad.

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So as long as you have good intentions you should be free to bring whatever politics to work? Regardless of how, as long as what your protesting the right things everything else doesn’t matter?

Protesting against sexual harrassement and and equal compensation are just 'your politics'? huh.

The fact you're conflating sexual harrassment (which is illegal almost everywhere) with an incredibly politicized concept as "equal compensation" (which even within one's own family there are wide disparities in outcomes, as even siblings from the same house can have widely different career outcomes, let alone in society) says everything...

I also don’t like being told I support sexual harassment because I don’t think highly politicized work environments (note I said work environment not society) are a healthy environment. That’s a dirty tactic.

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> Majority of googlers wanted maven. They wanted search in China. Source, please.

https://www.teamblind.com/blog/index.php/2018/08/16/65-perce...

Self-selected (those who choose to answer the poll in their app) sample (7k of 100k) of the population.

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Are you implying that their actions cannot be gender biased?

I mean, they can be, but is there any reason to believe they are? Have male leaders of similar protests been treated better? Surely it's not right to infer gender bias just because the victims are women.

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Re: Google Protest Leader Leaves

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I don't really understand why it's surprising to anyone that they would face "internal retaliation" after exposing their employer as evil and boycott worthy to the entire world. By publicizing it to the degree that they did and attaching their name to it, they were putting their interests over the company. If my company started doing business practices that I didn't approve of, I would try my hardest to change the di…

This should be obvious to anyone, but people are for some reason having trouble understanding it.

It's completely expected for a company to get rid of individuals on the payroll who are badmouthing the company they work for.

Why would anyone willfully employ people to work against the company's interest?

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As a googler, I say good. People like her have made going to work exhausting. Leave your politics at home and let me do my job in peace.

But your work is innately political.

what is political about this?

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Re: Google Protest Leader Leaves

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As a googler, I say good. People like her have made going to work exhausting. Leave your politics at home and let me do my job in peace.

When people say they want politics out of something, what they really mean is they want everyone else's politics out. My beliefs are common sense; your beliefs are partisan politics.

Exactly. The act of working at Google _is_ now a political position itself. The amount of power Google has should be checked, and if internal employee's are able to curb some runaway unethical programs, it is in their best interest of humanity to do so. I personally couldn't imagine staying at a company that was knowingly harming society.

Is there a way to do interviews and promote only persons with unethical & immoral attributes to keep their business from running into issues like these repeatedly?

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Many great people are hired not necessarily to move Google forward, but so that they don’t move a Google-competitor forward.

This makes me think about something. I don't work at a FAANG company, nor have I ever been to SV, nor do I know anyone who works at one of the many enormous tech companies around SV. In the TV show Silicon Valley they have characters who sit around unassigned doing nothing at the Google-like company in the show. Does this actually happen? Are there people hired at these companies who just don't have a project? Its en…

The number of PhDs writing basic JavaScript was astounding.
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