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Amazon offers $10 to Prime Day shoppers who hand over their data

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Re: Amazon offers $10 to Prime Day shoppers who hand over their data

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I don't find it a step forward at all. It's a move toward pricing out the privacy-conscious. Right now, auto insurers in Canada will give you a premium reduction if you let them spy on you as you drive. But what happens when that becomes the norm? People end up paying a premium to not be spied on. Eventually privacy becomes unaffordable.

If you value privacy, pay for it.

Privacy should be the default. It should continue to be a right.

Re: Amazon offers $10 to Prime Day shoppers who hand over their data

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I think it is a step forward to pay users for data. Of course, amazon still collects everything it can anyway, for free. But in principle, this is good. But two things. 1. What is the correct price? Amazon is doing this to better discriminate customers on offerings, price and quality. It's essentially the sophisticated version of what econ 101 calls "siphoning off the consumer surplus by price discrimination". At thi…

I don't find it a step forward at all. It's a move toward pricing out the privacy-conscious. Right now, auto insurers in Canada will give you a premium reduction if you let them spy on you as you drive. But what happens when that becomes the norm? People end up paying a premium to not be spied on. Eventually privacy becomes unaffordable.

Privacy becomes worth what the market will bear. If that's unaffordable, that's just because it's valuable.

There's all sorts of other premiums on the exercise of your rights in a private context. It's very hard to get a job in information sectors that lets you retain copyright of your creative work, or in general a job that lets you exercise your freedom of speech without potentially risking your job. If you have physical handicaps, it's more expensive to get a house and a car that are accessible (because there are fewer opinions on the market), you can't necessarily use public transit, and your choice of jobs is also quite limited. Medication and treatment for chronic conditions, whether physical or mental, often exceeds what your insurance will pay. Having a child is quite expensive. If someone has wronged you, depending on the issue, getting a lawyer may be very pricy.

If we think that the market should not set a price for certain desirable basic things, it seems like the fault is on society for allowing and encouraging the market to do so in general, not on the market participants for taking rational advantage of it in particular cases. Personally, I'm of the opinion that everyone should get privacy for free, but I'm also of the opinion that everyone should get health care for free.

Re: Amazon offers $10 to Prime Day shoppers who hand over their data

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I think it is a step forward to pay users for data. Of course, amazon still collects everything it can anyway, for free. But in principle, this is good. But two things. 1. What is the correct price? Amazon is doing this to better discriminate customers on offerings, price and quality. It's essentially the sophisticated version of what econ 101 calls "siphoning off the consumer surplus by price discrimination". At thi…

I don't find it a step forward at all. It's a move toward pricing out the privacy-conscious. Right now, auto insurers in Canada will give you a premium reduction if you let them spy on you as you drive. But what happens when that becomes the norm? People end up paying a premium to not be spied on. Eventually privacy becomes unaffordable.

It won't become unaffordable, it'll just be like cable tv did to commercials. Once they started airing them, they didn't go away, and now you can't get cable without commercials.

Re: Amazon offers $10 to Prime Day shoppers who hand over their data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you value privacy, pay for it.

Privacy should be the default. It should continue to be a right.

In a capitalist society, something being a right has no bearing on whether you need to pay for it. You have the right to life, but if you get sick, you need to figure out how to pay for it, and if you can't, you might not be able to exercise that right. You have the right to liberty, but if someone infringes your liberty, nobody is going to give you a lawyer for free and you have slim chances of succeeding without representation. (If you are accused, you have the right to an overworked public defender who has little incentive to fight for you, or you can pay for your own lawyer; if you're the accuser there aren't public prosecutors.) You have the right to property, but only what you can afford. You have the right to pursue happiness, but if your happiness requires a college education, let's hope you were born to parents who could afford it.

You have the right to marry whoever you like, regardless of gender - as long as you write a check for $30 or so to the appropriate local government office.

Re: Amazon offers $10 to Prime Day shoppers who hand over their data

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Data, especially personal data should not be a means in which anyone can make any sort of financial compensation from. Why? That seems a pretty extreme position.

Perhaps there should be law that makes is illegal to resell data that you collect. Almost like a first sale doctrine for user data.

First sale doctrine allows the purchaser to resell their purchase, which is the opposite of what you are suggesting.

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They complain when they take your data in exchange for a service. They complain when they pay you money for your data. They just want to complain. Thus their complaints are simply worthless.

Or they just don't think it should be normal for companies to spy on you, regardless of how it's compensated.

Spying indicates lack of consent, which does not apply here.

Re: Amazon offers $10 to Prime Day shoppers who hand over their data

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Just a casual reminder that a portion of Amazon workers are on a strike during the Prime Days. Support them by not visiting any Amazon property for the next two days. No Amazon purchases, no Audible, no Goodreads, no Twitch. AWS is kinda unavoidable, but the rest is not. We can do without them for two days, and show our support for the workers that are protesting inhumane conditions.

>AWS is kinda unavoidable

And that shows the strength of one's resolve.

Re: Amazon offers $10 to Prime Day shoppers who hand over their data

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I think it is a step forward to pay users for data. Of course, amazon still collects everything it can anyway, for free. But in principle, this is good. But two things. 1. What is the correct price? Amazon is doing this to better discriminate customers on offerings, price and quality. It's essentially the sophisticated version of what econ 101 calls "siphoning off the consumer surplus by price discrimination". At thi…

I don't find it a step forward at all. It's a move toward pricing out the privacy-conscious. Right now, auto insurers in Canada will give you a premium reduction if you let them spy on you as you drive. But what happens when that becomes the norm? People end up paying a premium to not be spied on. Eventually privacy becomes unaffordable.

The other side of this is people paying a premium to subsidize other unsafe drivers.

Re: Amazon offers $10 to Prime Day shoppers who hand over their data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't find it a step forward at all. It's a move toward pricing out the privacy-conscious. Right now, auto insurers in Canada will give you a premium reduction if you let them spy on you as you drive. But what happens when that becomes the norm? People end up paying a premium to not be spied on. Eventually privacy becomes unaffordable.

The other side of this is people paying a premium to subsidize other unsafe drivers.

Well, more precisely, people who care about privacy more than price paying a premium to subsidize anyone with the opposite priority.

That only loosely correlates with driver safety, especially since a bad claims history has an independent impact on price.

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