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NASA Says Earth Is Greener Today Than 20 Years Ago Thanks to China, India

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Re: NASA Says Earth Is Greener Today Than 20 Years Ago Thanks to China, India

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No longterm effect, one specialized bug with good conditions and that monoculture is dead. But that will give room for other species which would have a chance to root if it wasn't for the monocultures being so tightly planted

We have this back home, pine monoculture planted some 50-60 years ago to make parts of mountains more visually appealing (and probably more good reasons like cleaner air). In 2004 there was a freak storm with quite strong winds, half of that forest was destroyed, in many cases trees literally snapped in the middle of the trunk. Still pretty bad sight 25 years later. They said it was freak accident that happens every…

My guess is that you are talking about Slovakia here.

My weak Slovak makes it hard for me to research facts, so I tend to rely on my wife; but I understand that unfortunately the parkland is not "left on its own".

The state fells a lot of timber in the parks. They use the borers as an excuse, but cut down more than they need to control them.

There's yet another sad story for forests among the negative externalities from the transition from socialism. There were and still are large areas of land divided up and owned by general public, which has a legacy today, see [1].

One opportunist where I live went and bought as many of these as he could, often cheaply off old people and made bank by letting people come and fell the forest on them. You can see it all around here - big swathes of bare earth cut through forested hills/mountains with no regard to sustainability. It really upsets me.

[1] http://4liberty.eu/land-consolidation-in-slovakia-chance-for...

Re: NASA Says Earth Is Greener Today Than 20 Years Ago Thanks to China, India

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post #34

China is also the biggest contributor to CO2 emission by a large margin.

It's also the largest country, by a large margin.

Where does this leave Russia which is almost twice as big and Canada which is only slightly bigger? And China is less than 1% larger than USA.

Population-wise China is the largest, but India is not that far behind.

Re: NASA Says Earth Is Greener Today Than 20 Years Ago Thanks to China, India

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post #42
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also the largest country, by a large margin.

Where does this leave Russia which is almost twice as big and Canada which is only slightly bigger? And China is less than 1% larger than USA. Population-wise China is the largest, but India is not that far behind.

Siberia

Re: NASA Says Earth Is Greener Today Than 20 Years Ago Thanks to China, India

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That would be a productive competition: putting our national pride behind planting trees “We can’t let CHINA beat US on reforestation!” Might be the trick

And on solar panels installations, and on plastic recycling (actual recycling, not shipping it elsewhere), and on electric buses, etc etc...

Re: NASA Says Earth Is Greener Today Than 20 Years Ago Thanks to China, India

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I was speaking to someone employed as a state forester recently and we were comparing maps we had brought to the meeting. He talked about how he had access to all sorts of cool maps like infrared and even aerial maps dating back to the early 1910's and 20's. I joked that those maps must just be the tops of endless forests (this was in a northern state known for its forests) and he said the images seen were the opposi…

Your point of well explained in the book 'Rational Optimist' The intensive farming actually increased wilderness. With tech of 1960, it would have required 86% of land to be farmed to feed current world population.

A lot of the "forests" we have at least here are planted monocultures which are periodically completely cut down. Also known as "tree farms". All trees are the same age. Also the forest is full of ditches that makes it hard to pass for animals. The ecosystem and the species living there are quite different to real more natural forests. Most people have never even been to a multi century old forest anymore. Also we get invasions of pests like Diprion Pini etc. But yeah it looks green from a satellite or even airplane.

Re: NASA Says Earth Is Greener Today Than 20 Years Ago Thanks to China, India

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post #34

China is also the biggest contributor to CO2 emission by a large margin.

It's also the largest country, by a large margin.

China is only slightly larger than India by population; 1.39 billion vs. 1.35 billion.

https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/china/india?sc=...

(And yes, "slightly" is 40 million people, more than the population of California.)

Re: NASA Says Earth Is Greener Today Than 20 Years Ago Thanks to China, India

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post #23

I find the title misleading, the main reason Earth is getting greener is mainly because of higher CO2 emissions[0]. Saying the earth is getting greener thanks to China and India, is forgetting that ~84% of the increase is not related to these countries[1]. What is truly new, is that human activity in India and China alone is responsable of a 16% increase of leaf area. So, to quote original article: > now that we know…

Correct, as the NASA link clearly delineates:

>The researchers point out that the gain in greenness seen around the world and dominated by India and China does not offset the damage from loss of natural vegetation in tropical regions, such as Brazil and Indonesia. The consequences for sustainability and biodiversity in those ecosystems remain.

Thinking that China and India have "got this" would be a catastrophic assumption (obligatory xkcd[0]).

[0] - https://xkcd.com/1732/

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