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Thiel Urges U.S. Probe of Google's 'Seemingly Treasonous' Acts

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Re: Thiel Urges U.S. Probe of Google's 'Seemingly Treasonous' Acts

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Post by swframe2 »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #34
nemothekid wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. If negligence in this case means treason, there are several companies you can investigate then - it makes less sense to single out Google when Cisco has likely suffered more. Huawei was literally founded on stealing foreign technology and is allegedly built by Cisco engineers. 2. Rather than investigating if Google negligence is treason, would Thiel agree to charge Zuckerberg with treason due to the Cambridge Anal…

Thiel is definitely hypocritical. That alone does not make him wrong. (He may be right or wrong, I don't know).

A broken cpu might produce a correct answer but you shouldn't trust it. Hypocrites are not trustworthy even when they are right.

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Post by didibus »

ailideex wrote: post #65
Nasrudith wrote: post #46

Really Thiel's frankly fascistic rhetoric is far more treasonous than even the absurd worst case of "Google gave access to literally all of their technical data to gain market entry". And here he is calling for abusing power to stifle dissent for exercising their rights of who they work with. What they and the nationalist bedwetter coalition forget is that the Military serves the Civilians. Not the other way around.…

> Really Thiel's frankly fascistic rhetoric is far more treasonous How so?

Not OP, but I'm guessing in the same sense that communist activists used to (still are?) be considered treasonous. Like any active promotion and support against a free democracy and towards another means of organizing society, so fascism, dictatorship, feudal, communist, etc., could be seen as treasonous in a way.

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Post by throwawaycert »

c1b wrote: post #70
ehsankia wrote: post #66

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Microsoft and Apple do business in China, yet somehow it's Google that's apparently working with the Chinese. These people are honestly out of their mind.

? The logic is really not too complicated. China is using AI to spy on citizens -- Google is creating and freely publishing state of the art versions of this AI. It's pretty clear that there is a worry here.

So are a lot of other people. We are in yet another AI bubble. It is far, FAR from the first, and will not be the last. Thiel is just yet again trying to paint the ordinary, boring daily activities of his ideological opponents as somehow bad and use the military-industrial complex and national security apparatus of a country he defected from to try and violently suppress them. Another right-wing terrorist isn't news and we should stop giving their insane ramblings coverage.

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Post by debatem1 »

ryacko wrote: post #57
mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #54

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How do you mean? Isn't encryption essentially building a wall around your data - about as defensive as it gets? Is your argument essentially "invaders can carry shields, therefore shields are a tool of attack"?

A good argument could be that the NSA is violating the intent of Congress by weakening encryption standards which are essential to online commerce. Could even be extended to authentication standards which there can be no legal restriction on.

Wouldn't this be "weak encryption is used for offensive purposes as well"?

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Post by tomcam »

r00fus wrote: post #60

Bloomberg goes a long way to avoid saying that Thiel was speaking at the National Conservatism Conference , a conference with a very biased audience in mind. Just look at the other speech titles like "The Nationalist Awakening". Can this be taken as anything but pure propaganda?

Do you have reason to disagree with any of the facts he presented?

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Post by panny »

r00fus wrote: post #60

Bloomberg goes a long way to avoid saying that Thiel was speaking at the National Conservatism Conference , a conference with a very biased audience in mind. Just look at the other speech titles like "The Nationalist Awakening". Can this be taken as anything but pure propaganda?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqWVH38jtQo

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Post by chabes »

mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #54
earthstabber wrote: post #33

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Strong encryption is used for offensive measures as well.

How do you mean? Isn't encryption essentially building a wall around your data - about as defensive as it gets? Is your argument essentially "invaders can carry shields, therefore shields are a tool of attack"?

I’m not the person you asked, but I think they’re referring to ransomware

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Post by cameronbrown »

Aunche wrote: post #62
remarkEon wrote: post #38

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>when he sits on the board of the biggest troublemaker. Why is this some kind of detraction from his larger point? If he has a problem with how Facebook is being run - or has concerns with their implementation of AI - then of course he'd want to retain his seat. How else would he influence the company?

I find it highly improbable that the board of Facebook would do anything besides act as yes-men to Zuckerberg and Sandberg who are making them boatloads of money.

The board has no power over zuck. Not enough anyway.

Re: Thiel Urges U.S. Probe of Google's 'Seemingly Treasonous' Acts

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Post by cameronbrown »

johnnyagood wrote: post #68
nemothekid wrote: post #11

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1. Almost every tech company has been acutely aware of China stealing IP for decades now. It's not a new point. 2. Where did Thiel make this point? Thiel does not make the point that the Chinese are stealing US IP. He makes the charged point that Google executives (and somehow not Facebook executives) are Chinese agents. To that claim, I don't think he "has a point". It's in very bad taste to me that Thiel would poin…

>When Google leaks the personal data of millions of Americans Google+ was hacked and leaked the data of users. No one knows how many because Google deleted the logs.

Google+ was never hacked, but there was a dodgy API endpoint that let you view profile data set to private.

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Post by ailideex »

didibus wrote: post #72
ailideex wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Really Thiel's frankly fascistic rhetoric is far more treasonous How so?

Not OP, but I'm guessing in the same sense that communist activists used to (still are?) be considered treasonous. Like any active promotion and support against a free democracy and towards another means of organizing society, so fascism, dictatorship, feudal, communist, etc., could be seen as treasonous in a way.

I see, I was not aware that Thiel was "active promotion and support against a free democracy and towards another means of organizing society" - if that is the case then I guess it would make sense to say he is treasonous. Seems like that would be a relevant tidbit of information to include in the article.
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