If Google trade secrets are relevant for national security, non US governments shouldn't allow Google to operate without revealing those trade secrets to their intelligence agencies.
Thiel Urges U.S. Probe of Google's 'Seemingly Treasonous' Acts
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#22This part is worth considering:
> Thiel, a Facebook Inc. board member, argued that the kind of AI developed by DeepMind, which like Google is a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc., should be thought of as a potential “military weapon.” “We’ve been a lot more dishonest about that in Silicon Valley than the nuclear physicists were in the 1940s,” he said in the opening speech at the National Conservatism conference.
If one believes this to be true, then how you consider its use to be weaponized can dramatically alter one's view of both Google and Facebook.
If it's a weapon like strong encryption, then it is a defensive measure for the benefit of their users, as they are sheltered and made safe by its use.
If it's a weapon like any other, then its use is an attack upon those it tracks and analyzes, as they are made less private, more vulnerable, and easier to manipulate.
Somehow I don't think Thiel is arguing that Facebook is attacking American citizens, though.
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#23https://youtu.be/bRkaJg-cQyk
This is why you can’t work with Family!
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. Almost every tech company has been acutely aware of China stealing IP for decades now. It's not a new point. 2. Where did Thiel make this point? Thiel does not make the point that the Chinese are stealing US IP. He makes the charged point that Google executives (and somehow not Facebook executives) are Chinese agents. To that claim, I don't think he "has a point". It's in very bad taste to me that Thiel would poin…
Negligence can be a crime under the right conditions.
1. If negligence in this case means treason, there are several companies you can investigate then - it makes less sense to single out Google when Cisco has likely suffered more. Huawei was literally founded on stealing foreign technology and is allegedly built by Cisco engineers.
2. Rather than investigating if Google negligence is treason, would Thiel agree to charge Zuckerberg with treason due to the Cambridge Analytica scandal? There's hard proof right there, why not get the quick win with Facebook?
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#25It's hard to take anyone with such a cutthroat capitalist mindset as anything but the sum of their incentives. That goes for Thiel especially because he's promoted this as a strict political belief system.
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#26Thiel is on Facebook's board. So he is on the board of a Google competitor and a company with atrocious morals. Maybe he is just trying to take the heat off Facebook and send Congress in a different direction.
Seems more like a Palantir motivated position.
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#27Is this Thiel speaking about treason as a New Zealand citizen or as a US citizen?
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#28Probably worth noting that deliberately aiding the Chinese military is not treason in America right now because America and China aren't at war. It might be other things: unpatriotic, espionage, etc. But not treason itself. Even the Rosenbergs didn't get convicted of treason (America and the Soviet Union were not actually at war. It was illegal to give nuclear secrets to the Soviets, but it wasn't treason.) So genera…
> So generally whenever somebody in America mentions treason, they're being hyperbolic or misleading,
Some people simply don't need to understand the distinction between similarly used terms. In the end, prosecutors can file multiple charges but practically pick and choose based on a variety of factors.
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#29Considering Thiel's other...business ventures, this is about as 'throwing a stone while living in a glass house' as it gets.
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#30Thiel is on Facebook's board. So he is on the board of a Google competitor and a company with atrocious morals. Maybe he is just trying to take the heat off Facebook and send Congress in a different direction.
If only he were just seeking the destruction of Facebook, I'd jump right on that fucking bandwagon, and try to drive it myself.