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People keep seeming to apply for jobs at Amazon warehouses making $15-16/hr, so...

Hundreds of people applied to work at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory.

Well, when Amazon warehouses in the United States are not up to code and burn to the ground, killing hundreds, the analogy will be pretty apt.

Re: Amazon workers launch protests on Prime Day

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Slightly unrelated but there is something weirdly consistent about how Amazon treats their workers and people who have to work with them. I remember just exhibiting an AWS conference was the most time-intensive grueling event I've ever worked in the tech industry. Obviously not as hard as a factory-working job, but they hold the only event in the industry that has you working from 7 am to 7 pm w/ no break if you want…

...aren't most exhibits/conferences like this? All my trade shows events are at least this grueling, and I no longer work in major IT.

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Tangentially one thing that I've pondered is the the Amazon Fulfillment Centers are typically on the periphery exurban areas such that they will have the benefits of the minimum wage legislation of the urban area but that wage will go a lot farther and they will have a lot shorter commute then if they were located in the urban area itself as a normal retail job would. That seems smart. For instance, $15 an hour goes…

Poor people generally don't live in suburban or exurban areas. And if they can't afford decent transportation then they will either face very long commutes or move and be stranded with whatever jobs are in the periphery exurban area.

Previously yes, since a high number of retail jobs (i.e. stacking shelves, sorting inventory, etc.) were all done in the core part of the urban area (i.e. think Target or BestBuy directly in the downtown area). With Amazon Fulfillment, the "retail-like" jobs (sorting inventory) can be done where the employee actually can relocate to the periphery and have a traffic free commute. And delivery drivers will be returning the fufillment center so will naturally be returning to the periphery at the end of their shifts.

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Or they will have jobs at other retailers, that will step in to take Amazon's market.

They'll be in for a rude awakening when they find out other fulfillment center jobs are just as hard and pay equal or less.

Yeah... I am wondering what most outraged people think other warehouse jobs pay and how they treat their employees.

Re: Amazon workers launch protests on Prime Day

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If a company cannot pay it's workers properly then, to be honest, it really shouldn't exist.

People keep seeming to apply for jobs at Amazon warehouses making $15-16/hr, so...

Oh well it can’t be because they want to have a home or eat food or anything. No, they must’ve just run out of NodeJS consulting gigs and they’re looking to mix it up a bit.

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> It bothers me that people are constantly demonizing Amazon for their labor practices rather than demonizing the market conditions that have led to Amazon warehouses being a place people are willing to work. That's about as useful a statement as "Thoughts and prayers." To change the labor market you go after the parties you can affect. Amazon is one. There are many others on the demand side. Retaining the workforce…

Or you just raise the minimum wage. We arrived at this point because those with money use it to influence government to their exclusive benefit.

Amazon is paying above minimum wage already. What do you suggest they should be paid?

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> As with all companies paying workers to do a job, the compensation should reflect the confluence of supply and demand in the market. The market has no moral compass. If you decide that the market dictates what we should do, then your actions will reflect the morals of the market, i.e., none. Supply and demand is a statement of what "is", not what "should be". To some approximation.

It looks like you’re both arguing for the same thing: a higher federal minimum wage.

That's a leap, for sure. I am not arguing for a higher minimum wage. I didn't mention minimum wage, even obliquely. I am arguing that it is correct to demonize companies for their labor practices.

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What would it effect Bezos Net Worth to double the warehouse operatives hourly rate to $22?

not relevant, free market, they decide to work there, or not.

That’s an awfully easy position to take when you don’t have to work at an Amazon warehouse. How many times have you been fired for using the bathroom?

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Or you just raise the minimum wage. We arrived at this point because those with money use it to influence government to their exclusive benefit.

Amazon is paying above minimum wage already. What do you suggest they should be paid?

It sounds like conditions are more of a problem than pay. Maybe there should be less that enforce regular breaks for workers doing monotonous jobs, and maximum hours.

Good luck getting a that kind of law passed in America though. Far too socialist.

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