You China's disregard for human rights is not a big deal because if you're from there you're used to it?
Probably a case of the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Within the past 100 years we had internment camps for Japanese Americans so if I were an outsider from a country that we have a shaky relationship with, the thought of that or being accused of spying probably wouldn't be too far off in my mind.
> Within the past 100 years we had internment camps for Japanese Americans
In the present day, if you're a black American you may also have a different perspective on life in the US than if you're white.
Talent will follow opportunity, so this shift in sentiment may reflect the relative outlook on the level of opportunity that US provides relative to China, at least for those who are able to work in China. As an aside, the American immigration system leaves a lot to be desired in terms of its efficiency, and may be a contributing factor.
I am sure that this is part of it. However, I speculate that China may also be pressuring students and their families at home...just as they've been reported to do to expats and exiles.
Talent will follow opportunity, so this shift in sentiment may reflect the relative outlook on the level of opportunity that US provides relative to China, at least for those who are able to work in China. As an aside, the American immigration system leaves a lot to be desired in terms of its efficiency, and may be a contributing factor.
I think america is putting more money on trying to have natives fill these jobs over making the immigration policy more efficient.
There is tons of potential being wasted in America and we really should focus on our native citizens. Its been a while since america has been dominant in the strength of our workforce and much of our current wealth is because of past generations not the current one.
We should focus on changing that before relying on other nations to provide us with skilled labor. It a national risk short and long term.
Especially PhD students are ultra-cheap professional work force that drives forward US academic research. Furthermore, a big reason why so many return to China, is that even if you graduate in the US, staying in the US is quite hard. The environment is not welcoming in to the newly graduated US educated foreign origin PhDs.
>Especially PhD students are ultra-cheap professional work force that drives forward US academic research. I'm not necessarily doubting it as this is not my area of expertise, but what % of students really do "ultra-cheap professional work force that drives forward US academic research"... that anyone else can't?
Professors tend to act more as managers/grant proposal writers/reviewers. The vast majority of individual contributor work is performed by grad students and post docs. This work is often intellectually challenging (well, in as much as moving science forward is), so there is a strong benefit for selecting the best prepared candidates. Chinese students that come to do their PhDs in the US tend to be very well prepared/selected (especially once you look at non-ivy league research universities, it is easier to get a super qualified chinese student vs a US native student). Now, there might be a price point at which you could attract more locals to go pursue a PhD, but right now it is just not a very financially attractive proposition. PhD students typically get a stipend in the 30-40k range, but perform the kind of work that on the outside would pay 100-200k (let's say for people after masters). Similarly post docs make 40-70k range, but if they went into industry they would make 100-300k (depending on field).
No want wants to live in that kind of environment? In the US, Trump says mean things about certain types of immigrants. In China, you can be jailed with no due process for speaking out about human rights abuses. Also, better hope you're not in a religious minority. Don't say anything bad about the government, because they're watching you!
When I was living in China this didn't bother most of the Han Chinese I met. Most of them were so concerned about lifting their families out of poverty and providing for their future that if you said to them "but you can't speak out about human rights abuses" they'd just look at you like "why the hell would I want to do that".
For the same reason non-Chinese students might worry about Chinese students in the US being treated badly.
Maybe they don't talk about it because they know they are not allowed to talk about it. I knew a Chinese exchange student who would debate all sorts of things, but when you brought up the Chinese government she would come to a hard stop and say "I don't talk about that." It's probably smart if you're from an authoritarian country.
> I knew a Chinese exchange student who would debate all sorts of things, but when you brought up the Chinese government she would come to a hard stop and say "I don't talk about that." If she's considering immigrating to the United States at any point in the future, she would be wise to not debate anything that has to do with the United States, in any electronically recorded medium. All visa/status adjustment applic…
That doesn't even address the point, which is not everybody who claims they don't care actually doesn't care.
Is having someone as a student, and then they leave ... beneficial? I don't have a position on this, I'm just wondering.
likely only for tenured professors and possibly universities. professors hold immense power and likely benefit greatly from someone motivated to finish + move back and earn massive sums relative to rest of population; the university i'm guessing benefits to some extent financially/prestige of said research group/professor. edit: losers are general public, whose taxes go to public universities who then train up a gene…
> taxes go to public universities who then train up a generation of students who won't contribute those benefits back to the country
I would be amazed if I could find a US accredited institution of higher education that offered subsidized education to non-nationals.
This statement seems true without context but false with context. Allow me to provide the context: If you're a Chinese internantional student living in the USA where the #1 guy in the country uses Identity Politics as its arsenal to win and lead the country, you, as an outsider, will feel insecure w.r.t of races. If you're a Chinese international student coming back home to your country of origin, you're used to the…
> yes, I'm dead serious, Americans want everything and they don't like rules Best not be so serious: You're mistaken. Is a whipping a proper punishment for chewing gum left on a Singapore sidewalk? > Step inside a land/house by accident and gets killed by the homeowner's M14 is just... nuts (yes I know I'm exaggerating a bit). Does the dead seriousness lead you to believe Americans approve of this nutso reaction?
Caning is not used for minor offences, only for violent crime. It's more like a $300 fine
The silver lining is may be at least you do not seem to be from India or China whose waiting period for GC is 70+ years for EB3 right now apparently
Every time I see someone talking about immigrating processing times, the number seems to go up... Per the state departments August 2019 bulletin, the actual backlog to file for an EB-3 green card is currently 3 years for China, and 9 for India....
Where did you see that? USCIS in its bulletins never releases the number of years only the year it is processing. If you extrapolate the EB-1 wait for Indians, it is closer to 9 years, but most people are in EB-2/3 which is 50yrs out.
Silicon Valley has changed a lot in the last 20-30 years. The ability to physically design and create things has basically disappeared. I'm not only talking about chips, but mechanical, electrical engineering and all the miscellaneous disciplines associated with creating something in one place. That used to be the strength of the valley. If you want to do software, ok, but that's arguably less location dependent.
I agree but I think this can turn around, we've really only lost the quick-turn PCB manufacturing. The talent is definitely still here.