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Re: China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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Post by epicureanideal »

commandlinefan wrote: post #105
Causality1 wrote: post #13

We're quite far from the scale tipping in that direction, but it makes me curious about whether the US government has the legal authority to say "educating foreigners is no longer in the national interest, therefore it is no longer a valid reason to remain in the United States" and decimate the foreign student population essentially overnight.

When I studied computer science (for my Master's degree), I was one of three US citizens in the entire program. If the US gets rid of foreign students, it gets rid of upper-level CS, at least.

What university? Also, Master's degrees are aimed at a lot of international students.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

stupidcar wrote: post #73
baron_harkonnen wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know plenty of really bright, talented and hardworking Chinese grad students who have a preference to stay in the US but the current visa situation is appalling. RFEs (request for evidence) which were once rare have become standard practice, making the wait to start a new job go up by months, with lots of stressful uncertainty as to whether or not you will be allowed to stay in the US. There's lots of VC money in C…

Except the article doesn't say anything about visas or better salaries back home. Its whole slant is that apparently Chinese graduates are moving away from Silicon Valley because those darn US labor laws mean they can't work nine hours a day, six days a week, for lower wages. The article is such a pathetically transparent piece of anti-labor rights astro-turfing: China is going to out-compete the US unless US workers…

The article does discuss increasing salaries in China.

The issue with the pace of development bring quicker doesn't just come down to labor rights. Shenzhen is the world's biggest electronics manufacturing hub, so it can be easier to iterate quickly with manufacturers there. The article does indeed interview someone who complains about Americans supposedly not working long enough hours, but that's actually a pretty widespread view in China about Westerners.

Re: China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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Post by commandlinefan »

epicureanideal wrote: post #111
commandlinefan wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I studied computer science (for my Master's degree), I was one of three US citizens in the entire program. If the US gets rid of foreign students, it gets rid of upper-level CS, at least.

What university? Also, Master's degrees are aimed at a lot of international students.

The University of Texas at Arlington - but I've heard that with only a handful of exceptions, this is nearly the case nationally.

Re: China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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Post by havetocharge »

Talent will follow opportunity, so this shift in sentiment may reflect the relative outlook on the level of opportunity that US provides relative to China, at least for those who are able to work in China.

As an aside, the American immigration system leaves a lot to be desired in terms of its efficiency, and may be a contributing factor.

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Post by ggfdccvtr »

refurb wrote: post #56
hello_moto wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This statement seems true without context but false with context. Allow me to provide the context: If you're a Chinese internantional student living in the USA where the #1 guy in the country uses Identity Politics as its arsenal to win and lead the country, you, as an outsider, will feel insecure w.r.t of races. If you're a Chinese international student coming back home to your country of origin, you're used to the…

You China's disregard for human rights is not a big deal because if you're from there you're used to it?

Not disregard, but what can you do?

Just like Americans can’t stop Middle Eastern civilians from being drone striked, Chinese can’t stop their government either.

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Post by throw0101a »

asdfman123 wrote: post #22
liberte82 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's difficult to blame Chinese students for not wanting to stay when they're being met with outright hostile rhetoric from the political establishment. Economic considerations completely aside, no one wants to live and work in that kind of environment.

No want wants to live in that kind of environment? In the US, Trump says mean things about certain types of immigrants. In China, you can be jailed with no due process for speaking out about human rights abuses. Also, better hope you're not in a religious minority. Don't say anything bad about the government, because they're watching you!

> In the US, Trump says mean things about certain types of immigrants.

In the US, Trump says mean things about certain types of citizens.

Re: China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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Post by m463 »

Silicon Valley has changed a lot in the last 20-30 years.

The ability to physically design and create things has basically disappeared. I'm not only talking about chips, but mechanical, electrical engineering and all the miscellaneous disciplines associated with creating something in one place.

That used to be the strength of the valley.

If you want to do software, ok, but that's arguably less location dependent.

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Post by ccffph »

hello_moto wrote: post #44
asdfman123 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No want wants to live in that kind of environment? In the US, Trump says mean things about certain types of immigrants. In China, you can be jailed with no due process for speaking out about human rights abuses. Also, better hope you're not in a religious minority. Don't say anything bad about the government, because they're watching you!

This statement seems true without context but false with context. Allow me to provide the context: If you're a Chinese internantional student living in the USA where the #1 guy in the country uses Identity Politics as its arsenal to win and lead the country, you, as an outsider, will feel insecure w.r.t of races. If you're a Chinese international student coming back home to your country of origin, you're used to the…

We don't have mass shootings every week.

70% of gun deaths are suicides. The majority of the rest are inner city unlawful gang-on-gang violence.

Most people never even see a gun in the US in their lifetime. Stop spreading misinformation and fear-mongering propaganda.

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