Ross Perot Has Died

Post by ClayShentrup » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 4:41 PM UTC

munk-a wrote: post #68

sampo wrote: post #66

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> You want third parties, you need ranked choice voting or something similar. Ranked choice or similar would only give you an occasional third party win here and there, in some small number of electoral districts. It will not give you serious and viable third parties with long living organizations. What you'd need is, proportional voting for the House. Electoral districts the size of at least 10 House representatives…

Ranked voting actually does enable third party candidate wins (assuming they can garner sufficient public support) with ranked choice voting the stigma of voting third party is removed and people can safely vote primarily for who they want instead of primarily voting strategically.

This is false. See the game theory explained by Andy Jennings, who did his math PhD thesis on voting methods and co-founded the Center for Election Science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKAScORevQ

Here's a more technical explanation by Warren Smith, a Princeton math PhD whose work was the centerpiece of the book "Gaming the Vote".

http://scorevoting.net/TarrIrv.html

Finally, see real world data from a century of IRV in Australia.

http://scorevoting.net/AustralianPol

Post by ClayShentrup » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 4:41 PM UTC

anderskaseorg wrote: post #107

sampo wrote: post #74

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Where does it work? Australia has single-representative voting districts with instant-runoff voting, and they seem to have something that looks to me being close to a two-party system in practice. I admit, I didn't browse though all possible countries, so perhaps you know a better example? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Representatives_(Aust...

If you actually work through the game theory, you find that single-winner instant-runoff voting is nearly as vulnerable to Duverger’s Law of two-party domination as plurality voting. https://www.electionscience.org/voting-methods/runoff-electi... There are much better single-winner systems available: see approval voting, score voting, and Condorcet voting. But if you want a legislature with proportional representatio…

Nailed it.

Re: Ross Perot Has Died

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