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Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design

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Re: Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design

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I don't understand how Apple TV remote ever came into being, let alone how it still exists. Even when you somehow break the symmetry, in my case by sticking an ugly address label on the bottom part, skating around the screen with the touch pad is a game of skill that you are forced to play when all you want to do is just select a damn thing on the screen. Not to mention having to undo whatever I've done by touching t…

You're not alone in this, I believe it's the lowest rated item on the apple store (2 stars) and the vast majority of reviews are single stars. It's rubbish.

Re: Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design

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> built-in Nvidia GPU GPUs could consume a lot of power. Source: I used a Windows 10 laptop (not Thinkpad) with Nvidia GPU and it usually lasted less than two hours on battery. I work on another laptop, Thinkpad without Nvidia or AMD GPU, it lasts 6-8 hours on battery.

For a given CPU and battery capacity, Nvidia Optimus and AMD XConnect mean there's effectively no difference in battery life between a laptop with and without a dGPU, assuming you keep the dGPU disabled while you're using it. There are of course gaming and workstation laptops that run the dGPU at all times but you get what you expect with those.

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Re: Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design

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> built-in Nvidia GPU GPUs could consume a lot of power. Source: I used a Windows 10 laptop (not Thinkpad) with Nvidia GPU and it usually lasted less than two hours on battery. I work on another laptop, Thinkpad without Nvidia or AMD GPU, it lasts 6-8 hours on battery.

For a given CPU and battery capacity, Nvidia Optimus and AMD XConnect mean there's effectively no difference in battery life between a laptop with and without a dGPU, assuming you keep the dGPU disabled while you're using it. There are of course gaming and workstation laptops that run the dGPU at all times but you get what you expect with those.

Agree with both points, but tachyonbeam wrote:

  > built-in Nvidia GPU (which 
  > I use for machine learning)
And I used aforementioned (gaming) laptop with GPU mostly for Deep Learning

Re: Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design

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> Given that the yields are said to be worse for the “butterfly” keys than normal scissor keys, and that they’re more expensive to make, one can only think that either Apple is stubborn as hell at the executive level, or so tightly constrained by its design goals that it can’t figure out a way to reintroduce scissor-switch keys because that would mean designing an entirely new body and case for the whole line.

I think the author underestimates large scale production pipelines, where you may be many years out (due to things like design, test, assembly creation, assembly optimization, backchannel buildup, etc). Most products are several years in development before they are released.

Re: Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design

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Super ironic that apple stole the idea of the Mouse from parc and managed to completely fuck it up. I blame jobs for this. He basically tried to force an opposing idea for its sake on something that would be an FU to MS. But the physical design of these mice with the recharge port on the bottom was an utter retard.

If by “stole” you meant Jobs made a deal with Xerox Parc to let it buy shares during the IPO.... https://zurb.com/blog/steve-jobs-and-xerox-the-truth-about-i...

no deal - he fucking stole it....

Re: Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design

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I think it's good to draw a distinction between visual design and functional design. Design that focuses on function can sometimes (but definitely not always) result in designs that are also visually appealing, but design that focuses on the visual rarely produces a very functional result. I'd much rather look at a mac book pro than a thinkpad. Next to the minimalist design of the mac, a thinkpad looks like you rippe…

I've owned multiple Thinkpads, and have a MacBook Air at home. I'm a pragmatist, so I don't mind that my work Thinkpad is all black and looks like it's from the 1990s. I enjoy that it has a built-in Nvidia GPU (which I use for machine learning). What makes me sad that with a fresh Ubuntu 18.04 install, my work Thinkpad can't even do two hours of battery life. My MacBook Air at home is 3 years old, but it's thin and l…

Interesting on the battery lifetime. My ThinkPad Carbon X1 gen 6 can do 10-12 hrs in Ubuntu, though I had to switch the bios sleep mode to Linux. Maybe the lack of an Nvidia graphics card helps.

Re: Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design

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If by “stole” you meant Jobs made a deal with Xerox Parc to let it buy shares during the IPO.... https://zurb.com/blog/steve-jobs-and-xerox-the-truth-about-i...

no deal - he fucking stole it....

Citation?

Re: Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design

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> What makes me sad that with a fresh Ubuntu 18.04 install, my work Thinkpad can't even do two hours of battery life. This has everything to do with the unresolved problems of Linux power management. I use Ubuntu on Thinkpads too, and battery life is decent after a bit of configuration. Windows meanwhile gives all day battery life on Thinkpads.

There is definitely an opportunity for a distro directly aimed at laptops and/or providing the maximum battery life.

It's really surprising/annoying that this isn't setup correctly by default. Linux on laptops is nothing new.

Re: Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design

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I for one quite like the Apple TV 4 remote. It has one major issue in that it's symmetrical and you sometimes pick it up the wrong way. But other than that I love it. The touchpad is great with the Apple TV, especially once you figure out that you can single-tap the edges like a D-Pad for precision. It lays flat, so you can tap the play/pause button on your coffee table rather than picking up the remote. There are ju…

15 second skip forward and back are completely undiscoverable.

But once you do discover them, they're so much better than equivalent functionality on other media devices. Same asking Siri "What did they say?" to trigger brief subtitles.

And I disagree that they're "completely" undiscoverable... if you rest your thumb on the remote, skip forward/back glyphs appear on-screen and indicate the functionality if you were to click.

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