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India is sending a rover to the moon, and the country is pumped

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Re: India is sending a rover to the moon, and the country is pumped

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Post by easytiger »

lewisjoe wrote: post #36

Folks who suggest dealing with poverty before launching machines to space: the economy doesn't work like that, FYI. If a country acquires deep technical know-how on engineering, it means the country can use it to spin out new industries and export that utility. That is how a country makes money. After world war II, Germany didn't give away all the remaining money to war survivors. They built rock-solid airplane engin…

Except the country already acquired all that via globalisation. This isn't 1952. There are few walls up on many technologies. India has acquired most of its know-how by undercutting developed nations and getting them to teach them how to do the work.

Re: India is sending a rover to the moon, and the country is pumped

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Post by osrec »

DSingularity wrote: post #38
osrec wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you propose it should do that? By giving people handouts? By giving people terrible jobs in sweatshops? Or perhaps by inspiring the next generation of engineers and innovators? Even those in the slums without any fancy education will be able to relate to the scale and nature of this achievement, if successful. I personally think the expense is worth it.

This is absurd. You should examine the language you are using. You can be a proponent of scientific missions like this without dismissing the very reasonable proposals as “handouts”. They are not. People have a right to a dignified life. No matter how you frame it, the Indian government is ignoring the very real needs of its population when it funds mission like this. No matter how you paint it, the ultra poor couldn…

Respectfully, I would like to call out your reply as somewhat ignorant.

Do you consider a dignified life as one spent living on the dole? Surely not!? This project could well create an industry that brings prosperity and investment to a number of people, including those in utter poverty. That, in my opinion, is a good thing.

Yes, the Indian government needs to handle the issues surrounding poverty better, as it does many other things. But to say that we should kill off a programme that could yield benefits for years to come, and instead fund short term relief only, is not only absurd, but utterly stupid. You'll be in poverty for ever more.

Re: India is sending a rover to the moon, and the country is pumped

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Post by sbmthakur »

pvelagal wrote: post #3

According to the article, Israel used a similar technique for landing but failed. Wonder if India will be successful!

India and Israel do have agreements for space exploration. I think details of the failure might've been shared with ISRO.

Re: India is sending a rover to the moon, and the country is pumped

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Post by _bfhp »

lewisjoe wrote: post #36

Folks who suggest dealing with poverty before launching machines to space: the economy doesn't work like that, FYI. If a country acquires deep technical know-how on engineering, it means the country can use it to spin out new industries and export that utility. That is how a country makes money. After world war II, Germany didn't give away all the remaining money to war survivors. They built rock-solid airplane engin…

I like the first sentence, but what's "like that" doing in there?

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Post by sidcool »

Kaiyou wrote: post #51
sidcool wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is always one comment like this. But fine. It always is worth. These things inspire the nation. Instill pride. They work wonders. And India's space program is much less expensive than many other nations. India sent a rocket to Mars that was cheaper than the budget for the movie Interstellar.

At the end of the day what is needed is to create wealth, not to spend it. Spending wealth while lots of people in the country are living in poverty in a way, that doesn't directly address this problem may come off as having the wrong priorities. This is about perception.

Space is an excellent opportunity to create wealth and provide employment. So your argument is still wrong.

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Post by perseusprime11 »

lewisjoe wrote: post #36

Folks who suggest dealing with poverty before launching machines to space: the economy doesn't work like that, FYI. If a country acquires deep technical know-how on engineering, it means the country can use it to spin out new industries and export that utility. That is how a country makes money. After world war II, Germany didn't give away all the remaining money to war survivors. They built rock-solid airplane engin…

Check out this link. As it suggests, they can work on many things in parallel. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-lifted-271-mill...

Re: India is sending a rover to the moon, and the country is pumped

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Post by suyash »

easytiger wrote: post #61
lewisjoe wrote: post #36

Folks who suggest dealing with poverty before launching machines to space: the economy doesn't work like that, FYI. If a country acquires deep technical know-how on engineering, it means the country can use it to spin out new industries and export that utility. That is how a country makes money. After world war II, Germany didn't give away all the remaining money to war survivors. They built rock-solid airplane engin…

Except the country already acquired all that via globalisation. This isn't 1952. There are few walls up on many technologies. India has acquired most of its know-how by undercutting developed nations and getting them to teach them how to do the work.

Lol, you must be joking, in fact it's the opposite. It's majority of Indians who are doing cutting edge research and innovating just look at what's going on any day in Silicon Valley or any top Universities. Now they are starting to do the same in their country while being creative with lost cost solutions.

Re: India is sending a rover to the moon, and the country is pumped

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Post by sanxiyn »

easytiger wrote: post #61
lewisjoe wrote: post #36

Folks who suggest dealing with poverty before launching machines to space: the economy doesn't work like that, FYI. If a country acquires deep technical know-how on engineering, it means the country can use it to spin out new industries and export that utility. That is how a country makes money. After world war II, Germany didn't give away all the remaining money to war survivors. They built rock-solid airplane engin…

Except the country already acquired all that via globalisation. This isn't 1952. There are few walls up on many technologies. India has acquired most of its know-how by undercutting developed nations and getting them to teach them how to do the work.

Some knowledge only can be learned by doing. Also, space technology is, due to its close tie to missile technology, one of those few modern technologies with walls up.

Re: India is sending a rover to the moon, and the country is pumped

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Post by mruts »

suyash wrote: post #68
easytiger wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the country already acquired all that via globalisation. This isn't 1952. There are few walls up on many technologies. India has acquired most of its know-how by undercutting developed nations and getting them to teach them how to do the work.

Lol, you must be joking, in fact it's the opposite. It's majority of Indians who are doing cutting edge research and innovating just look at what's going on any day in Silicon Valley or any top Universities. Now they are starting to do the same in their country while being creative with lost cost solutions.

You’re saying it’s Indians that are doing the majority (>%50) of cutting edge research? That’s just not true, even in the slightest.
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