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Ask HN: How do you deal with professional envy?

#1
I think everyone feels envious of a high-flying peer once in a while. Or at least, I definitely do.

When someone younger than me, in my field, is making more money / getting more acclaim / winning praise from people I respect, it makes me seethe. Sometimes I even waste my time looking for a way to invalidate them, to put an asterisk* on their success, so I can feel better about myself.

Does this happen to anyone else? What do you do about it?

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#2
> Does this happen to anyone else?

This happens to pretty much everyone.

> What do you do about it?

Your options are:

Motivation: "If I learn to do the things s/he does, I can be more successful too."

Rationalization: "Well, if I had had the same opportunities s/he did, I'd have been just as successful. I did the best I could with what I had. And at least I'm still doing better than X, Y, and Z."

Indifference: "X is doing well? That's nice. Wonder what I should have for lunch today?"

I find I gravitate more towards the bottom of the list as I get older.

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#3

> Does this happen to anyone else? This happens to pretty much everyone. > What do you do about it? Your options are: Motivation: " If I learn to do the things s/he does, I can be more successful too. " Rationalization: " Well, if I had had the same opportunities s/he did, I'd have been just as successful. I did the best I could with what I had. And at least I'm still doing better than X, Y, and Z. " Indifference: "…

Mine is more "X clearly loves doing Y - as much as I wish I did too, deep down I know I really don't. What do I actually like to do? I'll have more of that, thank you."

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#4
i had it with my roommate and my best friend, we are both software developers. i think this had contributed the most to what we both are now. I confronted him what that i had always felt jealous about him and that what motivated me to work even harder just to reach him. He told he felt the same!

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#6

> Does this happen to anyone else? This happens to pretty much everyone. > What do you do about it? Your options are: Motivation: " If I learn to do the things s/he does, I can be more successful too. " Rationalization: " Well, if I had had the same opportunities s/he did, I'd have been just as successful. I did the best I could with what I had. And at least I'm still doing better than X, Y, and Z. " Indifference: "…

Absolutely this. Early 20s it was always motivation, and now it's mostly indifference. Whether that's getting older, wiser, being burned out too many times, or learning to appreciate things outside of professional success in life... either way, it doesn't bother me nearly as much as it used to.

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#7
Learn to realize exactly where happiness comes from, which is ultimately the people around you that you help or impact in a positive way. One of the hardest things in life is to truly understand what you want - beyond the noise from society, family, and friends.

Material possessions and success are fun, but ultimately only generate fleeting happiness.

I have run my company for almost 20 years now and have seen many of my friends/acquaintances make 10 million+ in a much shorter time. Not that I dont wish I could have more money for less effort (in the same way that I wish I could play the guitar or speak multiple foreign languages). Yet Im very happy with my life as I understand clearly what makes me happy and dont let my happiness be defined by what someone else has done or has.

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#9
hmm personally I haven't really felt this way since high school (I'm 26 right now working as a SWE in NYC). I think you're at a great point because you have the ability to turn that envy into something productive. Perhaps it's learning a new skill that you can apply on the job, that will get you paid more. Trying to invalidate someone is counter productive, because chances are it will not make you anymore successful/happy. Furthermore, it is taking away time from activities that will certainly make you successful and happy. So with that said, as the Nike commercials state, "Just Do It". Start something that you know will make you happy and successful in your path. When you get bored, tried, lazy, unmotivated of "just doing it" think about that envy, use it to continue forward. Make others want to be envious of you!

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#10
I have a variety of ways to analyse this:

0) Remember that social media and the press shows the best parts of people's lives and rarely the crappy parts that everyone has.

1) You can't have it all. Often people sacrifice other parts of their lives to achieve in one area. My old boss that got promoted to a very high position never found a partner or children. Other tech friends who have earned a lot have worked thier whole lives and never went backpacking around the world like I did.

2) Some people have advantages. Eg Bill Gates was a millionaire before he even started college, many famous people had privileged upbringings.

3) Some people are just lucky. Maybe they were in the right place in the right time. I had a very wealthy friend who I never figured out why they spent so much or how they could afford such a big house and expensive vacations. Later I found out their father literally won the lottery, $50Mil - at the same time her sister has severe deformities from birth. Which brings to

4) Money and "Success" doesn't equal happiness. My wealthy friend would easily give it up to have a healthy happy sister. Taleb talks a lot about how suburbs filled with huge multi-million dollar houses are filled with bored lonely people.

5) You're probably much wealthier and have a better life than most people already. Remember >2Billion people don't have clean tap water they can drink. People are risking their lives so they can come to the US or Europe to work in construction or cook your meals in a restaurant.

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