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Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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Post by pmontra »

yyyk wrote: post #119

Half the comments seem to be surprised by VGA. But just about every 1080p monitor has the port, and even Steam statistics[0] show that over 60% of their users use 1080p, and about 75 percent use resolutions that are VGA compatible. 4K computer monitors are still uncommon - and Steam is likely tilted towards higher resolutions. In short: Most existing monitors support VGA, and probably a good deal of those actually us…

There are meeting rooms with old equipment with only VGA, no HDMI. Last time it happened to me, it was in a university.

But the worst are the ones with Apple TV or Chromecast. Very convenient for residents that went through the installation and setup process, not so much for most of the other people.

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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Post by harperlee »

znpy wrote: post #179

Its just moronic how laptop companies are rushing to make smaller laptops at the cost of basically everything. A ThinkPad-X220-sized laptop would still be absolutely acceptable both in size and weight, and could have all (or at least, most of) the ports that one could need. And swappable battery, keyboard, ram, disk etc.

It’s not moronic, it’s just not for you.

The moronic thing is to kill bigger laptop lines.

But I travel a lot and can’t use work’s laptop for my things, so I asolutely need something below 1kg to not kill my back with 2 heavy laptops, I don’t mind 12”, I’d like to also draw in it with a stylus, and I can’t use an ipad for offline programming... so the convergence of laptops to tablets is something I like.

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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Post by yyyk »

as1mov wrote: post #170
yyyk wrote: post #119

Half the comments seem to be surprised by VGA. But just about every 1080p monitor has the port, and even Steam statistics[0] show that over 60% of their users use 1080p, and about 75 percent use resolutions that are VGA compatible. 4K computer monitors are still uncommon - and Steam is likely tilted towards higher resolutions. In short: Most existing monitors support VGA, and probably a good deal of those actually us…

I've found VGA on literally on the TV's and monitors I've come across until now, regardless of which end of the price spectrum they are on. Plus these ports are durable too, you might get some glitchy tinted picture due to dust/bent pins, but it's better than nothing. Just last week, my team had to attend a meeting where our manager was going to project a presentation on a TV, sadly the HDMI port of the TV was not wo…

VGA can barely do 2K not 4K, so most 2K and all 4K computer monitors don't include it. So it's not exactly that VGA is 'everywhere', rather that 4K computer monitors are a small section of the market, enthusiasts aside. 4K TVs are much more common - but many of those still have a VGA port (I guess TV owners are much more forgiving?).

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Post by baybal2 »

harperlee wrote: post #182
znpy wrote: post #179

Its just moronic how laptop companies are rushing to make smaller laptops at the cost of basically everything. A ThinkPad-X220-sized laptop would still be absolutely acceptable both in size and weight, and could have all (or at least, most of) the ports that one could need. And swappable battery, keyboard, ram, disk etc.

It’s not moronic, it’s just not for you. The moronic thing is to kill bigger laptop lines. But I travel a lot and can’t use work’s laptop for my things, so I asolutely need something below 1kg to not kill my back with 2 heavy laptops, I don’t mind 12”, I’d like to also draw in it with a stylus, and I can’t use an ipad for offline programming... so the convergence of laptops to tablets is something I like.

O don't think them being "killed off." They are just no longer the top of the line.

The 17-15inch sized laptops are transitioning into the computer appliance category

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Post by Tharkun »

znpy wrote: post #179

Its just moronic how laptop companies are rushing to make smaller laptops at the cost of basically everything. A ThinkPad-X220-sized laptop would still be absolutely acceptable both in size and weight, and could have all (or at least, most of) the ports that one could need. And swappable battery, keyboard, ram, disk etc.

I don't understand the appeal of anorexic laptops. Sacrificing repairability, cooling, features, and connectivity. All so it can be thinner and lighter? What's the use case for that? Are there really millions of people who walk around with a laptop cradled in their arms every day? Surely these laptops spend the majority of their active time either on a desk or in a lap? Have desks become so flimsy that they can no longer support the weight of a laptop? Have people grown so weak they can no longer carry one in their bags?

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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Post by y4mi »

yyyk wrote: post #183
as1mov wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've found VGA on literally on the TV's and monitors I've come across until now, regardless of which end of the price spectrum they are on. Plus these ports are durable too, you might get some glitchy tinted picture due to dust/bent pins, but it's better than nothing. Just last week, my team had to attend a meeting where our manager was going to project a presentation on a TV, sadly the HDMI port of the TV was not wo…

VGA can barely do 2K not 4K, so most 2K and all 4K computer monitors don't include it. So it's not exactly that VGA is 'everywhere', rather that 4K computer monitors are a small section of the market, enthusiasts aside. 4K TVs are much more common - but many of those still have a VGA port (I guess TV owners are much more forgiving?).

I got a full HD (vertical, IPS), 2k (IPS) and a 4k (TN) screen on my desk. All have VGA.

I also have a 4k tv on my wall. It also has VGA.

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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Post by Tharkun »

baybal2 wrote: post #184
harperlee wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not moronic, it’s just not for you. The moronic thing is to kill bigger laptop lines. But I travel a lot and can’t use work’s laptop for my things, so I asolutely need something below 1kg to not kill my back with 2 heavy laptops, I don’t mind 12”, I’d like to also draw in it with a stylus, and I can’t use an ipad for offline programming... so the convergence of laptops to tablets is something I like.

O don't think them being "killed off." They are just no longer the top of the line. The 17-15inch sized laptops are transitioning into the computer appliance category

14" is the sweet spot for me. That's roughly the size of a full sized laptop keyboard (tenkeyless). They keyboard and the screen align nicely without too much wasted space. It's small enough to fit in just about any bag, and big enough to have a useful screen with a boatload of pixels.

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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Post by geofft »

tinus_hn wrote: post #165
spockz wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes the tv is mounted and only a vga cable is left around to interface with. Good luck plugging in the hdmi cable into the tv mounted in a cabinet.

Clearly the laptop is to blame for that.

Who's talking about blame? If you can't give the presentation, nobody cares who is to blame for it, they care that you didn't give the presentation.

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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Post by geofft »

lucb1e wrote: post #153
chx wrote: post #140

Misleading title. A 12.5" laptop is pretty normal these days. The One Mix Yoga 2S, the spiritual successor of the Vaio P, the first ever 7" laptop with a proper CPU (=Intel Core instead of Atom) and proper storage (= SSD instead of eMMC and then NVMe at that). I am in love with that thing.

It's still tiny for a laptop, even if a credit card sized laptop based on a rpi would exist. A normal size is 15.6, large is above that and small is below. You can't properly work on a screen smaller than 14" or so, and I'm sure there'll be lots of people that tell me they work on this in the train every day just fine (the logic being "when challenged, we can find many people on HN that are fine squinting at a 7 inch…

I have a 12" MacBook, and while yes, I use it on the train, I also find myself using it at my desk in preference to the much larger monitor and desktop. I also never use the monitor I have at home.

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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Post by ghaff »

harperlee wrote: post #182
znpy wrote: post #179

Its just moronic how laptop companies are rushing to make smaller laptops at the cost of basically everything. A ThinkPad-X220-sized laptop would still be absolutely acceptable both in size and weight, and could have all (or at least, most of) the ports that one could need. And swappable battery, keyboard, ram, disk etc.

It’s not moronic, it’s just not for you. The moronic thing is to kill bigger laptop lines. But I travel a lot and can’t use work’s laptop for my things, so I asolutely need something below 1kg to not kill my back with 2 heavy laptops, I don’t mind 12”, I’d like to also draw in it with a stylus, and I can’t use an ipad for offline programming... so the convergence of laptops to tablets is something I like.

Yes. I definitely prefer to travel with a ~2# and Was seriously thinking of getting a new Apple MacBook if they refreshed it but that's no longer an option.

I'm still waiting for the convergence to properly happen. One of my biggest issues is that none of the tablet/keyboard combos work nearly as well as a laptop for grabbing and banging away on my lap as is common at conferences.

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